Oh, the pain. Microsoft released a program -- the Vista Upgrade Advisor -- to help you determine how well your PC matches up with Vista's requirements. I didn't fare too well.
On my PC, the program warned me to contact the manufacturers for three applications, four printers, four parts of my Intel systemboard, my ViewSonic monitor, ATI video adapter, network card, IDE/ATA hard drive controller, serial port, USB adapter, and my Santa Cruz sound card.
And that's without asking for the fancy shmancy Aero graphic (touted as the "Elegant User Experience with Windows Aero" in the Advisor) or TV features. If I want Aero's features, there's no choice but to upgrade my graphics adapter.
You can get more details on their ominous-sounding Windows Vista GetReady site.
The not-so-very-good-report on my PC
OTOH, Carl Siechert, a buddy and famous author (Windows Inside Out) said,
"That's the page where it lists devices for which there isn't currently a driver in the box. Some of those probably will ship with Vista before it's done, others will be available as downloads from the manufacturer, and others will continue to work just fine with a pre-Vista driver. (There will inevitably be some devices that won't work properly with Vista and the manufacturer is too busy working on selling new products -- or is out of business -- so that Vista drivers will never exist.)"FWIW, the list of driverless devices on my computer is similar: four printers, a couple of motherboard components, a monitor, two graphics cards, and three network adapters. Yet it runs Vista just fine! (Even Aero Glass works, if I use only one monitor.)
thanks for the helpful info. I found your article with a google search on 'Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor' after the same search on the microsoft.com site failed to turn up the actual tool on the first page of hits.
by the way, it's 'fare too well', not 'fair too well'
Oh, you're so pedantic. Seriously, I need to get a better copy editor...
There goes the pied piper, let's all follow!
Maybe it won't be so bad. I loaded OS10.4 onto a 400Mhz iMac G3 and it works just fine--the stuff that it's too slow for (such as iMovie) isn't part of the central system anyway. I'm sure Microsoft will come up with the same solution Apple did.
My customers are starting to ask me about Vista. I told them to wait until it has been out for 6 months before thinking about moving to the platform. ( which means waiting even longer as the rollout is now summer '07)
My guess is that most people will be forced into hardware replacement or upgrades, but even still, who wants to be the guinea pig for MS's next OS rollout? Not me, and I surely wouldn't foist it on my customers!
All the more reason to go Mac.
WHAT???
"I loaded OS10.4 onto a 400Mhz iMac G3 and it works just fine--the stuff that it's too slow for (such as iMovie) isn't part of the central system anyway. I'm sure Microsoft will come up with the same solution Apple did."
I seriously doub it. I ran OSX on a lowly G3 and it was fine. Witht he apple OS the visual/interface/main features work even with the G3. With Vista, you will get a very vanilla OS without the latest hardware. but hey, that is the MS way!
I guess I would only be concerned if the program (held to 28 lines of code) that displayed a windows 3.1 rotating hourglass and then spewed the same message to everyone. "Windows Vista will work - Buy Your Copy Now!"
Windows Vista is OS X yesterday. Get a Mac and never look back.
I've got a two and a half year old gateway box that was a pure midrange system ( ~$1200) at the time, other than a ram and video upgrade I did a year ago it's still the same machine and passes everything even for aero and only advised me to check manufacturer for two drivers for major manufacturers of network and sound cards that are still actively supported and do have drivers on their sites. I doubt it's going to be as big a deal as most people are claiming it will be.
All of my hardware checked out fine and its a year old HP with an upgraded VIDEO card and Memory.
Your list is about your drivers, please correct what you've listed, the drivers your running have not been released for Vista, that is why.. idiot!
Vista who cares, I run off Knoppix Linux CD. Runs great, It's free, no virus, spyware or anyone else can write to my CD and modify operating System. I have a fresh clean install every time I boot.
most people (in the REAL world) do not compile binaries, write cell scripts, or even search for drivers. Whenever you release a new product, theres the chance some components will not work. With Microsoft, thats a given. What I think he is trying to say is "Once again , in a Quest to make the world a simpler place by migrating erveryone to one software, Microsoft once again refilled its bucket of "This doesnt work." When XP came out, My Nvidia card did not work properly, my Creative soundcard lost function, ect. If I didnt know about computers , I would have been really pissed.
Windows = the dorky car your mom wanted you to get
Linux = the car you got to hot rod until you realized your not a mechanic
Mac = The car you love, but cant buy deisel for anywhere, and no one wants to ride in it
Well, the last time I purchased a ATI 7500 I think I paid $19.95 for it. It's a cruddy card to begin with.
The other "contact manufacturer" just means that the manufacterer doesn't have an updated driver. Nothing new here - this all happened with Windows XP.
Why on earth are professional writers using lame instant messaging acronyms like "OTOH" and "FWIW"? They may be common for 12 year olds to use whhen chatting with friends, but it is hard to take a journalist seriously when they write like this...
Vista has not been officially released as an OEM OS.
Problems are bound to happen untill its released as stable. Not beta.
Its the 21 century and insecure MAC users still have to pipe in with their "Shoulda got a Mac" comments. Because Panther was sooo smooth on its release. You use your OS, I'll use mine, and we should both promise not to take it so personal.
Hahaha; love the car analogy.
Steve did you check what you wrote? You made the same mistake as well. If your going to point out the mistakes of others atleast learn to correct it PROPERLY.
The real question is: when will there be a serious alternative to Microjunk?
The Mac people can babble and the Linux crowd can tinker but the masses are screwed.
Hey, Mac religious freaks, may I have your attention for a moment?
By posting your lame talking points here in a Windows Vista article you?re doing nothing put proving how pathetic you are.
Think about it ? you?re proving that you are so insecure about your precious infallible Mac that you troll around Windows articles posting your futile propaganda.
Since you?re so incredibly satisfied with your Mac, shouldn?t you be basking in its glory instead?
...you're...at least...I think I might check my own work before piping up...
First of all , I think half of you should learn how to spell (or type), second, the reason drivers are not there is the manufactures haven't paid Microsoft millions of dollars for the code yet. In the end it will still be the same pain in the ___ as always.
What i dont understand Is why anyone would even feel compelled to upgrade the OS in the first place. Personally I would just leave XP on all my current computers and when I buy next years computers get them with Vista on them.
I can see upgrading a PC that was running 98 or ME to windows 2000 because that was a serious upgrade. Going from a DOS based OS like 9X to an NT based OS like 2000 makes a lot of sense. But unless you have a new x64 processor I can see no reason to pay Microsoft (MORE) money just for the newest fancy-pants operating system.
The number one rule in medicine ?Don?t make the patient worse? comes to mind. In a lot of cases upgrading a computer that is a little aged (and even more so when Vista launches) with a new OS can make it a lot worse then it was. Slowing it to a crawl and the driver search can be disconcerting to say the least.
Real geeks use 'nix.
Mac OSX is a 'nix. Windows will never, ever work as well, period.
FreeBSD or Linux are both about five years ahead of Microsoft rigth now on so many fronts it's not even funny. Why would anybody pay for the next Microshaft upgrade when they can get better stuff for free, not to mention better Office software (OpenOffice or take your pick), better multimedia software (take your pick), better imaging software that's just as good or better (GIMP, Sodipodi), kick-butt security tools (Ethereal etc., etc.) all for free?
not forgetting stuff like firefox! which had tabbing about 3 years before Microsoft thought of it
Mandriva Linux. I use the free version. Runs 2006 on a 5 yr old computer just fine. WAY more software available free than most of the people I know buy. 30K+ programs. I use 2 dozen very good titles. Required minor tinkering for the free version and the purchased version comes with EVERYTHING - aka just like Windows and Mac. No viruses, no hackers, no trojans, no problems for a year now.
Mandriva Linux. I use the free version. Runs 2006 on a 5 yr old computer just fine. WAY more software available free than most of the people I know buy. 30K+ programs. I use 2 dozen very good titles. Required minor tinkering for the free version and the purchased version comes with EVERYTHING - aka just like Windows and Mac. No viruses, no hackers, no trojans, no problems for a year now.
I'm done supporting Bill's proprietary "you'll be obsolete before you get the creidt card bill paid off" mess. With Linux I am free to use whatever formats I want, whatever software I want, and do whatever I want. Check out the many "Live CD" Linux distrobutions on web or the "OpenCD" project (check your fav search engine for the address). It will show you all sorts of free software for Windows that you can later use in Linux as well. Also includes a Live version of Linux where you can place the disc in your computer, reboot in Linux and play with all sorts of software, when done, remove the disc and reboot - no alternations whatsoever to your computer. Knoppix is the most famous of the LiveCDs. Give it a try folks... Free. No ads. No risk.
OpenSourceF..
Simple answer to your question as to why people pay for Windows upgrades instead of other OSes. Comfort. The majority of people have windows, know it and everything they have software wise is made for it.
Yes there are now (7?) verions of Vista coming out but previously it's been straight forward as to which to get, I can't say that with 'nix. I recently tried to build a media box for a dvr and music server and spent 2 weeks trying to figure out which 'nix was the best to use, which database and other programs I needed to get and install BEFORE I even attempted to get MythTV (and then the headache of configuring it) and I've used various versions of 'nix in the past. I broke down and picked up XP MediaCenter, was running completely and issue free in less than 2 hours and was already programing in my recording preferences for various series.
Those are reasons why.
People forget that Microsoft must make a product that can run on a variety of unpredictable hardware. With this comes millions of lines of code requiring an ever increasing hardware requirement. If MS was the sole owner of a MS PC and did not allow any generic uncertified forms then I think the picture would be different.
It'll probaly work anyway, I mean certain hardware should work even if it says contact the manufacture.
I would try it with your current hardware and upgrade if you have to.
"Think about it ? you?re proving that you are so insecure about your precious infallible Mac that you troll around Windows articles posting your futile propaganda."
Trolling has nothing to do with it. This article was prominently posted on Google News. I read it because I was curious to see what's going on with Windows Vista. I am a web developer, and I use both platforms to make sure that my sites are cross-platform and cross-browser compatible.
However, I do all my work on a Power Mac G5. I used to use Windows, but after trying out a company Power Book for a few months, I ditched Windows.
It was just so nice not having to worry about malware. OSXs interface is also much more user-friendly than Windows clunky Mac rip-off.
It's pretty sad watching you Windows fundamentalists get so worked up about your choice to stick with a buggy, bloated, crap OS. The old accusations of no software don't really hold true when most anything you want to do with a computer you can do with OSX.
Techie - surely open source products such as 'nix have to run on a variety of unpredictable hardware too?
nerds.
Techie and Chris Johns:
yes, *nix still supports hardware such as your old 386 that's probably in the garbage by now, try putting vista on that. Obviously it's not going to be your most practical computer in the house, but it will still run; linux supports much more hardware than windows does AFAIK.
Bhaughbb:
You started off right, people use windows because of comfort. But not because linux is hard and windows is easy, I bet I could have setup your Media box in <2hrs in linux. You just have to get a comfort of linux first. It takes maybe a year to be completely comfortable, but if that means a year learning linux instead of upgrading to vista and spending 6 months trying to find new software/hardware and then at the end of it all still dealing with the virii and malware isn't it worth it?
Obviously the choice is still up to the end user, but linux and mac fans aren't trolling here, we're simply saying there's other alternatives to your malware, virii infested OS.
who thinks the symantec law suite will screw microsoft's stcok and Vista release date?
DANCE PUPPETS DANCE!
Supposedly, Microsoft secretly PAID Symantec to file the suit and 'delay' the release of Vista, because Allchin does not know how to do project management, and was given stupid goals without being given the means to acheive them. The Symantec thing is a convenient excuse.
No one notices you have to install the .NET software to use this "Get Ready" crap? More bloatware, more of the same.
Pedantic, uninformative, lacking creativity and any sense of perspective.
I use my PC for Accounting and Business Management Applications. Why would I want to keep my computer longer than 2 or 3 years? Buying one for my business is tax deductible. So next year I will get Vista with my new computer. I dunno what the big deal is, really. Do the mac users realy feel sorry for our pockets? If so why not complain about iPOD and iTunes. The two are a pricey and innefective combination. I wish I had purchased a dell MP3 Player, Musicmatch is so much better. I love Microsoft's accounting applications. What is the big deal with downloading drivers? We have time to waste in this blog but we can't update our drivers? To each its own. I love how MS applications seamlessly work with each other, it is great for business. One of my clients does freelance markenting that uses a mac. So in the end I manage his accounts and money with my Windows based PC running xp (I never had a problem, ever!). All I can say is:
DANCE PUPPETS DANCE!
I use my PC for Accounting and Business Management Applications. Why would I want to keep my computer longer than 2 or 3 years? Buying one for my business is tax deductible. So next year I will get Vista with my new computer. I dunno what the big deal is, really. Do the mac users realy feel sorry for our pockets? If so why not complain about iPOD. I wish I had purchased a dell MP3 Player, Musicmatch is so much better. I love Microsoft's accounting applications. What is the big deal with downloading drivers? We have time to waste in this blog but we can't update our drivers? To each its own. I love how MS applications seamlessly work with each other, it is great for business. One of my clients does freelance markenting that uses a mac. So in the end I manage his accounts and money with my Windows based PC running xp (I never had a problem, ever!). All I can say is:
DANCE PUPPETS DANCE!
Well, after a million years of broken promisses I'm dumping Microsloth like a bad psycho girlfriend and going back to my trusty Mac OS X.
Why are people talking about features that have been avilable for years on OS X and that will requires the power of a legion of romans to run on Vista?
To me it is stupid to even consider Vista; It is like 2 years and counting late in delivery. It will cost far too much money unless you want one of the stripped down versions. It will have more security checks than the airport in Iraq. It will probably be another let down and nothing but a load of Microsloth hype like all the past Windows have been. And, again, you need a freakin supercomputer to run the graphics engine on it.
Sorry M$ I'm outta here and going back to normality with OS X. But I guess they were right when they said there is a sucker born every minute because I am sure there will be loads of suckers out there who purchase Vista, then get fed up with it and go out and buy a new top end PC to run vista when all the stuff it does has been available for like 4 or more years already on OS X and requires way less resources.
Thanks.
We don't want to use Macs. Leave us alone.
Oh and to answer: "The old accusations of no software don't really hold true when most anything you want to do with a computer you can do with OSX."
Can you play Oblivion? =oD
Shouldn't it be "Steve Bass' Tips & Tweaks", as opposed to "Steve Bass's Tips & Tweaks"?
I use my PC for Accounting and Business Management Applications. Why would I want to keep my computer longer than 2 or 3 years? Buying one for my business is tax deductible. So next year I will get Vista with my new computer. I dunno what the big deal is, really. Do the mac users realy feel sorry for our pockets? If so why not complain about iPOD and iTunes. The two are a pricey and innefective combination. I wish I had purchased a dell MP3 Player, Musicmatch is so much better. I love Microsoft's accounting applications. What is the big deal with downloading drivers? We have time to waste in this blog but we can't update our drivers? To each its own. I love how MS applications seamlessly work with each other, it is great for business. One of my clients is a graphic designer that uses a mac. So in the end I manage his accounts and money with a PC. All I can say is:
DANCE PUPPETS DANCE!
I'm not sure I agree with that last bit, ned.
"It's pretty sad watching you Windows fundamentalists get so worked up about your choice to stick with a buggy, bloated, **** OS." "Vista who cares, I run off Knoppix Linux CD."
These kinds of comments are completely unnecessary. This is an article for people interested in Windows Vista. Writing a comment about how lame MS is and how your Mac/Linux/Typewriter is so much better isn't constructive and does not make you sound smart. It makes you sound like a smug jerk who has nothing intelligent to say on the topic, no offence to the rest. This first bit especially just sounds like an above-average skilled computer user acting all high and mighty because he doesn't use the mainstream. There's no reason for this kind of stuff. Nothing constructive comes from it.
And to the anonymous poster of the car analogy, prepare to be sigged.
Windows Vista is the future of the whole world,forget people that have inadequate computers,Windows Vista is the benchmark that billions of people will use in years to come.
To JS saying that Mac Users troll around in Windows articles etc. I for one am only a Mac user as long as Mac is the best. They still are after many many many years. Am I interested in a new Windows?, yes. Is Vista better than Mac OS X (or any other *nix), nope. If it were I would switch over to Windows. I also have to say that watching Microsoft pluck money from everyone's wallet for features that have been around LONG LONG before they can get their s___ together is a phenom that I can't stop reading about. Macuser said it best "Windows Vista is OS X yesterday" Ill troll all the forums I want to AND bask in the glory of my mac.
And one more thing, as a freelance tech guy I have experience with people who literally can't figure out how to work a mouse on their own. For them, Windows is about the only option, especially once they learn the absolute basics. So don't forget people, the less literate are wired too, and thats where MS is at.
I LIKE DELL,not pcworld.
WINDOWS VISTA IS THE NEW WORLDS FUTURE JESUS,LIKE PRESIDENT BUSH IS NOW.
It's amazing how many Mac and Linux users crawl out of the woodwork whenever the word 'Vista' is spoken or written! It's not like they're going to make anyone change their minds about anything...most people like the PC and not just because of a particular OS ...so it's not going to change no matter how many tantrums you throw...there's nothing that you can do on a Mac that can't be done on a PC so there's no reason to switch, period...there's just isn't any logic in the Mac ideology that if it's prettier it's better...it's amazing how profanely foolish human beings can be...do people actually think that OSX is safe?...it's not safe until everyone's trying and failing to hack into it..and that's not happening with the Mac...the fact is there are holes in OSX, its just that nobody's interested in exploiting them so Apples taking their time patching them...Frankly, I've never liked the whole Apple deal to begin with...I've got no problem using OSX on my computer ( i use Linux too by the way, mainly for the challenge, which is something that Mac users don't know about since they don't have the upgrade options of the rest of us) but i'm not going to buy OSX bundled with a computer i can't upgrade on my own!...i'm not THAT STUPID! when you buy a PC you buy the PC you want to buy with exactly what you want in it....or you can build your own like i do..when you buy an Apple computer what you're really buying is an OS tied to hardware that you don't necessarily want...i wouldn't be using XP if microsoft was forcing me to buy a computer from them that will work with it....As for the driver issues in Vista...well duh...the advisor software's a beta so what do you expect...and Vista's so far away from release that it'll ship with most of the drivers anyway... yes, the whole industry is a group of puppeteers, each with a string attached to most if not all of your bottoms...MS pulls its Vista string and you all go running to buy a new OS when you have full functionallity already with XP..Apple and Intel pull their strings and suddenly there's Macs with Intel Processors to lure more XP users towards the pretty 'wormless' Apple...the computer manufacturers pulls their string and MS releases an upgrade advisor well before it's even needed so that users will rush out and buy PCs without knowing what the hell they are doing...Sony and Toshiba pull their hi-def dvd strings and as usual you all run out there and buy a new dvd player as if being able to count the toes on the foot of a running chicken will make a bad movie more enjoyable..pathetic...just remember this..a PC with 10 security hole and dropping is just as unsafe as the one with 1 hole that you're so sure doesn't exist so you'll never fix it.....DANCE PUPPETS DANCE...the Apple will eventually get worms...
Well, Steve Bass, if an upgrade is needed, you just have to upgrade. ATI/Nvidia 128MB , SM 2.0/3.0 graphic cards are dirt cheap these days.
mj I bought a mac to run the newest version of Logic, which might I add you can't do on a pc so that is something that you cannot do on a pc.
I used to build my own pcs and un XP, so its not that I am lazy, but I dont care if a mac comes prepackaged with osx if you buy a computer from a shop you will be 99% likely to be bundled with XP
if i was still on XP id be trying to figure how to be rid of microsoft products.
I don't need or use Logic ( i have toyed with Logic Pro7 for a few hours, wasn't impressed much)...i've use Cakewalk's products since 1997...but i'm not going to buy a whole computer just to use a piece of audio software...that move is for the rich and wasteful...you should know by now that no software can help you if your music sucks...so focus on your compositions and not the software.....sure, 99% of PC's come with XP, but 100% OF MACS COME WITH OSX!!! so what's your point?..at least I have the option of taking XP off and putting something else on..like the Mandriva that i added at Christmas...good luck trying that on your Mac...It's not about the operating system...it's about the freedom to choose your hardware, which you lose when you switch to a Mac...i'd use OSX if i didn't have to buy an un-upgradable computer..but i don't waste money...frankly, i don't care if you like your Mac or the color green; that's your decision and your right...but there's no logical reason for you to come to Vista discussions because you have nothing to contribute here whatsoever...nobody asked you about your Mac...and for your information, like 99% of PC users, 99% of my software ISN'T from Microsoft!!! where do you guys dream this stuff up from? I barely have a Microsoft Product outside of the operating system..and if you dont want it to run don't click it...you shouldn't talk about prepackaging..Apple's bundling whole computers with their operating systems...PC manufacturers are the ones bundling XP with their PC's because that's what 99% of users actually want..in the computer world, being as different as a Mac isn't a good thing...if Apple wanted their OSX to compete they should have allowed it's use on any platform...so don't come here complaining, because Apple's greedy...I really think you Apple guys come here because you're just lonely...i guess your market share will do that...lets look at the trend shall we...Logic Pro 7 exclusively on Macs to sell Macs...OSX exclusively on Macs to sell Macs, I-tunes music can't be played on the go without an expensive IPOD...that's just greedy...and to top it all off you have to sell your kidney to pay for it...nobody's going to make me buy more than i need to...
I never actually said anything bad about Vista, like a lot of people I read a news item which loaded up on Google. I don't go round bashing people who use PC's I used to use one,my compositions are going fine thankyou for your concern. I am doing a degree in music and wanted a program which was reliable for what I was doing (I am not a fan of cubase or sonar. personal preference), Logic was my favourite choice and I was forced into following it onto the Mac platform, which wasn't the worst thing ever. my pc was crap and I needed to upgrade anyway. the g5 I own is the only mac product I own, i dont bother with the ipod range I just wanted a stable workstation with a good operating system to follow, which I have got. my point about the pcs coming with xp is that not every user will A) know how to remove xp in favour of a open source operating system. B) can be arsd to do so having to learn everything from scratch again. most home users just want to plug in and play. I know im stuck with osx but it works perfectly and I wouldnt personally want to go back to XP
when it comes down to it, who gives a f*ck what you use as long as you like it? I was just joining in a conversation after reading an article about an operating system, not some big oohh lets bash windows users analogy that people have devised. Is it illegal to comment on something if you dont use it? I still own a valid copy of XP so that should give me as much write to slate Vista as any one else here if I could really be arsd, but I have not used the program so cannot say if it is going to be good or bad!!
Techie - surely open source products such as 'nix have to run on a variety of unpredictable hardware too?
This is soooo funny. This reminds me of the xbox 360 ps3 battle. Anyway, I like MACX, but my heart truly lies with MS. I love making fun of all the linsux (oh oops) kids at OSU. It's funny watchin all you get so worked up over MS. You know if Linux came out first and didn't get stuck in a bunch of lawsuits, it would try to be a world dominating super power as well. Face it all you Linsux users, Ya it's free, but it will never NEVER be what MS is. Like a guy said above, it takes a year to get good with Linsux, I taught my dad windows in 5 minutes, oh ya I don't think Garmin GPS software works with Linsux either. I surely do not want to give him a course in C just so he knows Linsux, any LINSUX
I'll wait till there is a free copy of Vista available on the net.
" Is it illegal to comment on something if you dont use it? "
Chris John, you've actually not said ANYTHING about Vista, which is what this forum is about..instead you decided as a Mac user to complain about Xp's dominance on the market and promote OSX over XP by trying to give reasons to switch...you're not fooling anyone...anyway, you've proven my point that i've been stressing again and again...YOU WERE FORCED TO SWITCH because you had to use software that was only available on the Mac platform...and that's what i have a problem with...i don't have a problem with OSX but i will never stoop to buying a Mac just to use any of the software that they refuse to make windows compatible just so they can sell me hardware that's inferior to what i can get elsewhere...my computer is currently faster than a G5 because i have retained the ability to upgrade every component to make my system work better..i'll never trade that for any Mac! It's not Microsoft's problem if open source operating systems are technical..that's for the the open source community to correct...Microsoft's dominance is due to the fact that they got a head start in the business, they didn't try to sell you computers to go with your operating systems and they simply know how to keep their market share, fair or unfair...it's interesting that your answer to the domination of the computer world by Microsoft's OS is the domination of that world by the OSX...the fact that Apple's market share is where it is should tell you that most people are happy with the performance of windows systems if not about its security...and with the ability to improve your hardware on a whim, the PC cannot be surpassed by the Mac regardless of the OS...
I think there is "blood in the water" in Redmond, and ALL of us are going to benefit as the once-intimidating MS corporation starts drifting to the right lane of the information super highway. The entire Vista release story means "the end of dominance" has arrived. Hardware and software companies no longer have a cash cow if they only build for MS compatability, and once the wave of "open document formatting" hits, Microsoft Office will be bundled free in Vista just to sell it. Windows will always be here, but look for it to take serious losses of market share just like the days when they were able to crowd-out Apple.
Hey, Idiotstick: if you are going to astroturf the comments under an article over and over again with your numb lobed braying, and expect people to think there is more than one over zealous M$ fanboi posting, then you ought to avoid saying the *same idiotic thing* in every post! If you are going to scream DANCE PUPPETS DANCE as Peter, then say it again as MJ, people who are smarter than you are (read: everyone) will notice and deduce that you are an *idiot* as well as a pathetic M$ troll.
Word to the wise: Quit jumping over the cliff. Get with the GPL'd program. Unix kernel based OS's are efficient and secure. Don't live life cyberfrustrated. Linux distros exist that a four year old can install and a two year old can administrate. Even I can do it. OpenOffice opens .doc files that MS can't because it fudged them up so badly. Mac OS X is so smooth and seamless. Open source is where it's at.
Unfortunately for DANCING PUPPET i ALWAYS post as MJ, which make YOU the idiot...and i'm not a MS fanfoi either...frankly i don't give a hoot about MS; if they were to fall on their faces with the next OS i couldn't care less! i'll just use Linux and my current version of XP as i do now..I don't even anticipate buying Vista until processors become 2x faster than what i have already, and that's a long time away...I'm just Anti-Apple because i'm smart enough to realise that their business model is built around greed...so i take offence to anyone who promotes them in a Vista forum as a viable alternative...what i've said is the reality of the situation that most people who are only as smart as yourself won't be capable of noticing...just like you couldn't tell that i was merely echoing a sentiment made by Peter and not posting as him...and you're so smart that you called yourself a dancing puppet?...obviously you didn't understand what peter was saying, so you can continue dancing like the idiot puppet you ADMIT you are...DANCE BRAINLESS PUPPET DANCE!!! get it now?
[get it now?]
Yes, I do: you are a semi-literate moron.
[I'm just Anti-Apple because i'm smart enough to realise that their business model is built around greed]
And what do you think the Microsoft business model is built around? Altruism?
being totally honest I cant comment about Vista cos ive never used it (obviously), and I just read this article and decided to add my experience as a windows user who made the switch.
True I was forced into buying a mac, but then again I wanted to buy a mac, they didn't hassle me to buy one, I could have stuck with my pc and used other software but I wanted a dedicated Music workstation, which is why I opted for a Mac. To be honest I don't want people to convert from PC to MAC. Its pointless spending the money on a mac if you just want to surf the net watch films etc etc. I had a purpose for buying one, I use them in university, I was trained using a Mac and I know them well, but thats me. I also have a laptop with Xp for general use. So I have just as much right as any PC user to comment here if I want to. just cos I own a mac doesnt mean im a member of the brainwashing ohh look how perfect macs are clan, they have their problems like other systems too. personally from my experience just not as many.
Ps ths forum is about a program which will check your PCs compatability with Vista, not Vista itself, there is pretty much F**k all said about the OS. good luck to Microsoft I hope they make a good product to rival OSX, the reason I read the article was to see what the fuss was about! is this not comprehensible?
im sure most people are happy with the performance of XP its really simple to use and does what it should well enough. Which is why they have so much of the Market share, + the fact there is not really a mainstream rival to them that has actually been able to breathe in the market
Word to the BRAINLESS PUPPET...it's the person who first stoops to name-calling that loses the argument...i feel sorry for your parents...i guess my use of good standard English is throwing the puppet off...i could decide to be rude and say something like " i've never met a puppet that didn't have a hand up his..." but i won't go there since that's something that you'd be more qualified to talk about...of course i agree that Microsoft is greedy too...that's obvious!...their OS and office apps are greatly overpriced, particularly those distributed to the regular consumer market...but at least i don't have to buy a computer built by MS to use XP or Vista, which is why i'm not using OSX right now...Microsoft controls the largest share because the industry likes it that way and the masses don't really care; it costs less to make your hardware and software work well with one OS...trust me, i would have been using Apple software for years if there was PC versions...my cousin has a G5 which i've used a number of times and i think it's definitely better than XP...but there's another reality...PC's lead the computer hardware industry; OSX is the leader in operation system technology even with it's paultry market share...i'm just saying that it's time that Apple merge the two...because I'm not going to trade in a powerhouse for a desktop ornament...
Chris Johns, my argument still stands..you should have had more choices than those you were given...you should have had the choice to install the OSX on a PC so that you could have saved some money and maybe buy a high-end turtle beach sound card with that extra cash...being happy with your choice doesn't mean you don't deserve more...you have to understand that your reason for buying a Mac, while being unavoidable for you in your field, doesn't apply to me...i don't believe any software is that special that one should have to buy a whole new computer just to use it...and that applies to Vista as well...if you need to upgrade then upgrade...if you'll actually need a whole new computer then buy a new one...if you want to use OSx and don't mind being duped into buying a computer whose components, outside of the OS, are mostly inferior to what's available on the PC market then so be it...If your computer has the computing power to run an OS you should be able to run it....The OSX may well be better but the wiser choice is towards PC hardware since they drive the industry (note that i said PC not MS)....with all the blind obedience exibited by Mac users, has anyone stopped to consider what would happen if Apple controlled the industry? it would mean that everyone would have to buy Apple hardware and Apple would not only control the Os market but also the hardware...the components industry would shrink and innovation would slow down...there would be no push to speed up the processor or to increase performance outside of what Apple wanted...no one company should be allowed to control both the OS and hardware markets...it's bad enough that we have one dominant software company...we need interoperability now...
Stop moaning and just use this...
http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/05/20/how-to-make-your-xp-machine-look-like-vista-for-free/
I was fortunate, that it just so happened that at the time of buying my mac, it was a higher spec than what I could have made myself for the same price as being a student I was able to buy a mac at a very discounted price. I agree though that most people should not need bother with a MAc unless they are buying it for a specific purpose such as Media applications or Audio work. That has always been my belief. I think that there should be alternative OS' availabe in the PC market too, I know there is the different Unix systems but they are not good for people who are not technologically sufficient.
i absolutely agree with your Unix statement...it's part of the reason why i waited so long to install Linux unto my PC..i waited until i got profficient in using it on my friends computer before finally installing it..and i love the version that i have...open source programmers need now to focus on making their OS as seemless as possible...i'm hoping a group will eventually present the first ever multi-interface OS; single interfaced OS's have run their course...you just cant please everone with one interface so why not provide more...we've got the ram, processing power and the graphical power now so it's time to move the bar up...but i'd settle for new OS's that are interoperable...then there would be cooperation instead of competition between these groups and their combined strength (due to their interoperability) would force companies like MS and Apple to rethink how they do business...
John Mitchel, i checked out your suggestion...sounded interesting...but, unfortunately, there appears to be some issues created when Vista Transformation Pack 4.0 is uninstalled..some users complain that their Firefox software was affected...and that's one software that i don't take risks with...in any case, i don't really need the effects..just need a smart secure OS that i can put on my PC that can trade files crossplatform to other OS's...that's my definition of world peace...
I agree that it would be amazing to get a company that could do a free and better OS than MS or Apple, For example there is Firefox and Thunderbird which is better than Safari and IE etc. then there are programs like Neo Office which are just as good as Office. I use Neo Office.
Im sure all these talented programmers who work there backsides off to offer a way out to people are the people to look to on developing a Linux system that even a 70 year old can get there head around. Correct me if im wrong but I think the closest attempt was Lindows which still took a decent level of PC knowledge to execute
Bhaughbb wrote:
"Yes there are now (7?) verions of Vista coming out but previously it's been straight forward as to which to get, I can't say that with 'nix. I recently tried to build a media box for a dvr and music server and spent 2 weeks trying to figure out which 'nix was the best to use, which database and other programs I needed to get and install BEFORE I even attempted to get MythTV (and then the headache of configuring it) and I've used various versions of 'nix in the past. I broke down and picked up XP MediaCenter, was running completely and issue free in less than 2 hours and was already programing in my recording preferences for various series."
Once I wrapped my head around MythTV, the install was easy - about an hour of compile/link followed by 10 minutes of configuration on a Slackware Linux box. At the end of the day the only thing I ended up paying for was the Hauppauge PVR card. MythTV on Slackware Linux works great and now all the computers on my network have access to live and recorded - commercial free - television.
The effort was worth the payback for me. Buying an MS Media Center machine is like locking yourself into a prison cell and then throwing the key out the Window.