Monday, August 14, 2006 8:55 PM PT Posted by Harry McCracken
Our story on
the 25 Greatest PCs of All Time, which we published on Friday to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the PC, is a smash hit. We knew it would spur controversy. And in all the discussion of the piece that's going on
on PCWorld.com and
off, the most common gripe by far seems to be that we didn't include the Commodore 64, one of the most famous PCs of the 1980s--and with 30 million units sold, possibly the most popular computer of all time.
We didn't forget about the C64; actually, we discussed it at length when we put together our list. Ultimately, though, we chose to give it a slot in our
list of 25 near-great PCs instead.
How come we didn't rank it higher? It all boiled down to how it fared in our 4-I ranking system. To wit:
Innovation: The C4 scored here for its SID sound chip, which gave it unusually good audio for an early-1980s PC. And the simple fact that it had 64KB of RAM was impressive at the time. But it's hard to make the case that the C64 was a technological leader in other respects: Its graphics weren't particularly advanced, and it was stuck with a version of BASIC that was already out of date.
Impact: On this factor, the C64 was a huge winner--as the best-selling computer model of all time, it was undeniably influential. It was lots of folks' first computer, and the array of applications and add-ons it inspired was gigantic. Had we rated PCs only on their influence on the market, the system would have been near the top of our list.
Industrial Design: Here, the C64 was a non-starter. As eplained in Brian Bagnall's excellent book
On the Edge: The Spectacular Rise and Fall of Commodore, the system was put together in such a hurry that it got a spray-painted version of the earlier VIC-20's case...which wasn't an inspired piece of design in the first place.
Intangibles: We didn't formally rate contenders on price, but the C64, at $595, was a deal for its time--one which helped to drive down the prices of computers in general.
So there you go--we thought the C64 was significant in multiple ways, but it fell short of our top 25. If it had sported a few more technical innovations or had a cooler case, it might have made the cut.
Side note on another system a bunch of people asked about: We considered the Timex/Sinclair 1000 for our list, too--but decided that the toylike $100 micro-microcomputer just wasn't a good enough PC for this particular list. (Both the C64 and TS1000 found spots on our earlier list of the
50 Greatest Gadgets.)
Still think we gave these machines short shrift? Feel free to continue the debate...
I grew up with the Amiga 1000 (thanks to my Dad). It should have been much higher on the list because it was way better than existing computers and paved the way for desktop video editing. The OS was pretty good (better than Windows of today) and I bet if I get it out from my storage boxes, it would still work!
I thoroughly enjoyed the top 25, with or without enclusion of the C64. In fact, I never considered it while reading despite my huge bias towards the system. It was my first and only computer until 1997 when the VIC chip finally toasted itself.
The Commodore 64 came at a time when I was more interested in the nuts and bolts of computers. It was more than a computer, it was an invaluable educational tool that unlocked the secrets of sounds and graphics and had some pretty good free applications if you were patient enough to type them in from out of a magazine. It was also the last machine I felt comfortable programming with machine language.
When I bought my first PC in the spring of 1987 (brand loyalty dictated the purchase of one of Commodore's PC's but I've owned many other brands since then), the party was officially over as far as the C64 was concerned. Today, I'm more of an end-user than a tinkerer, and I'd be happy if I never wrote another line of code of any kind. But I don't think I've changed, it seems to me it's more the public's attitude toward computers and what they're for... it's like the "gee whiz" has gone out of them.
This is the first computer I ever used, Gautlet was the best game ever.
Actually the commodore was the computer all the hacker groups of the 80's used in silicon valley during the Legion of Doom, Nihilist Order, and Phoenix Fortress sting. Most or nearly ALL BBS's during the 80's in silicon valley were C=64 systems. If it weren't for those hacker groups during the mid 80's who were busted, Reagan would have never made and passed Computer crimes law. Before the Nihilist Order group, who used c=64's, were arrested computer crime was not charged as a "computer crime", they were felonies charged as grand theft and fraud.
Also, before the Amiga was introduced publically, it was privately introduced by a salesman from Commodore at a small public domain shareware group started by a 14 year old in San Jose called "C=64 Exchange".
We'll miss Karl too in Nigeria. He's an inspiration-dedicated, loyal and happy on the job. Every employers dream come true. We join u all in saying Goodluck Karl! We wish u tons of good fortune in your new endeavour and we trust , no matter where or what u"ll be treasured as we have treasured u over the years. Its really funny that all the times i've read PC World on line, it never occured to me to subscribe, its Karl's departure and the wish to post this comment that actually dragged it to my attention. What a blessing he's continued to be, even in departure-great guy!