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Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:12 PM PT Posted by Harry McCracken

Microsoft Decides We Need a New IE After All

The RSA security conference is going on in San Francisco this week, but I'm on the road at the moment. So I didn't see Bill Gates' keynote speech in person. But I'm watching a Webcast of it right now.

One big piece of news: Microsoft will release a new version of Internet Explorer before Longhorn shows up. That's a change from the company's earlier plans--when I chatted with a Microsoft product manager back in November, he seemed strangely serene about the browser's place in the market, and said that there were no plans for a pre-Longorn IE update.

In the keynote, Gates didn't mention Firefox or the recent inroads it's made against IE. And he didn't have much to say in the way of specifics about the new version, other than that security would be a priority.

Back in my November post, I predicted that Microsoft would decide to release a pre-Longhorn IE--but I also guessed that it would add new functionality, not just patch up security leaks. Turns out that I was right about the first part of that prediction, but we'll need to learn more about IE 7 before we know if it's actually a better browser or simply a less dangerous one.

Microsoft probably has a pretty good idea of what the browser upgrade will look like already, but just for kicks: What stuff would you like to see in the next IE?
Comments

Obviously, tabbed browsing. It's great. Period.

Even better would be if you could open those multiple tabs simultaneously, like document windows within the program, quickly and easily re-arranged, tiled, etc.

A removable/dockable side searchbar would be nice, I suppose since it's MS it would be the new MSN search (which actually is quite good). I know this exists already in IE 6, but it would be nice if I could keep a running list of search results IN that side pane, so that I can quickly check out multiple links without having to hit the back button over and over or tab all over the place.

I very much like the sidepanes that Firefox has with the bookmarks, etc (IE also has this) but unfortunately I can't seem to have the history *and* the bookmarks open simultaneously.

Skinning would be nice, but not necessary.

I don't know it would be good or bad, but it might be interesting to play around with translucent program buttons and such, so that the website can fill the *whole* screen while still maintaining full functionality of the browser and having bookmarks and such open. They could be overlaid on top of the current website. Of course then you'd have to scroll around if it was covering something important. And web designer would probably be none too happy about it. :-)

Finally, a quick and easy way to share bookmarks would be helpful. Some easy way to access my bookmarks remotely on a different machine without having to go through an obscure third party site might be nice.

Olen Ronning
February 15, 2005
10:24 PM PT

I use the Firefox Browser; very very good!

Bill Gates has so much to do to create a new IE 7.
Let' see.

herm
February 15, 2005
11:29 PM PT

Pipe Dream: MSIE that supports Web Standards! Properly. Not the kind of half-assed "support" for CSS (for instance) it currently has.

David
February 16, 2005
12:08 AM PT

Wow! Gosh! MS thinks it is time they updated IE. Must be something to do with them getting their asses kicked by Firefox. Not that they would say that or anything.

winmacguy
February 16, 2005
1:48 AM PT

i really dont think, having been a windows user for all my life, MCP and all, that there is much that Gates can do to get IE good enough. I would love to see the security features of Firefox, not SP2 style, but proper and not annoying. Also, i dont think that the IT industry/users have enough trust that IE7 would ever be good enough; it doesnt really matter how good it is, they have lost the trust of a younger generation of computer users.

the best idea for microsoft is to just drop IE and pick up firefox ::dreamy look and sigh:: but i doubt that will ever happen

Mark Orm
February 16, 2005
4:54 AM PT

Actually, just "acquire" MyIE2 or NetCaptor and it should be fine.

Jandler
February 16, 2005
6:08 AM PT

All software is inherently buggy even if it works the way it's intended to work. There are only so many algorithms that can be written for a finite number of situations. There will never be a totally secure browser, whether it's Microsoft or Firefox. Someone will always find a way to break it or hack it. It just turns out Microsoft has rubbed more people the wrong way than Firefox has, and has thus earned its security woes.

Tim
February 16, 2005
6:35 AM PT

I have to agree with the posts that indicate Microsoft has angered more people with their products for various reasons. On the other hand, this issue of an update or rewrite of Internet Explorer is overdue. The patched version of IE 6 is about patched out. I do see Mozilla being attacked more and more by those hackers that all belong in jail for destroying the property of others as it gains in popularity. If MS IE 7 is developed in a timely fashion it will aid Mozilla in remaining less apt to be attacked by hackers. Hurry MS, release the new IE. I'm counting on you to keep Mozilla clean.

Nick Brizzi
February 16, 2005
7:25 AM PT

well! you guys are have your own opnions...i think what goes up has to come down like microsoft........in future it can be red hat or any other which will lead and then.......
but thats a good news that microsoft is releasing a newer version...i will love to see the opera like features like pictures diable a better pop up blocker espically i will love to see a content filter like Trend Micro has included in their current version release 2005 its the best and .....yeh! i will like them to include better security features.

Usman Masood
February 16, 2005
7:36 AM PT

I use the Avant Browser. It has a lot of handy features. After getting sick of IE6, I tried firefox, but it was pretty slow. Then a friend told me about Avant. Microsoft will have to make IE7 really good if they want me back for that software.

Saavedro
February 16, 2005
8:28 AM PT

I don't want to see anything new in IE because I'm never going to use IE again. I'm not going to give my market share back to crappy, non-standards compliant browser. Why use a browser from a company that doesn't care about it any more? No IE 7 for Windows 98-2000. Microsoft only fixes things when they feel threatened. You can bet there wouldn't be an IE 7 if Firefox didn't exist.

Bryan Kennedy
February 16, 2005
9:25 AM PT

MS should drop the Information Bar, it a pain in the a.., it blocks web sites when I need it the most.

Sigmund Salmento
February 16, 2005
10:31 AM PT

IE is still better for business than any other browser. The main reason is that it supports VBScript and there are tons of legacy application that use it in the enterprise. That and ActiveX. Try to go to a web-based service for Real Estate or other Major Industry and find applications that are B2B or B2C that do not use these MS technologies. I couldn't...

Dane
February 16, 2005
10:37 AM PT

IE? Who is IE? Oh - you mean the blue E that comes with Microsoft Windows? Gosh, lemme see, the last time I used that thing I got pop-ups everywhere, spyware randomly installed itself, need I go on? Why in the world would I start clicking that thing again when Firefox works so well?

Anonymous
February 16, 2005
11:18 AM PT

the problem with legacy stuff is that microsoft doesnt want that, their philosophy is out with the old, in with the new. i dont think that much of the legacy stuff is going to be supported in IE7 because microsoft isnt even putting some legacy stuff in longhorn. don't get me wrong, we dont need it, but there are still people running Windows 3.1 (i dont know why).

Anonymous
February 16, 2005
12:16 PM PT

When IE goes to be better than Firefox..(hard to believe) Firefox get 100 steps forward for remain the best in the business.....the day when Bill and Microsoft decide to create the best browser, they create the best,but they no have any reason for having the best browser because they need this security holes,they sell softwares....hmmmm

Mr. Ska Firefox
February 16, 2005
12:29 PM PT

Firefox is in opensource, nobody think, that are the posibility of MS, see the code and make some fix!!

pasch
February 16, 2005
1:35 PM PT

I personally never use IE - its too flawed and will never be secure as long as ppl try and attack it so predominatly. I only use IE for windows update and would prefer IE to NOT be so tied to the Windows Operating System. It should be a CHOICE as to whether you want IE or not. Period. And this move clearly says that Microsoft may finally be listening to the people who pay for services and software to keep Microsoft the company up and running.
I will never use IE as Firefox is the perfect browser for me.

Jade
February 16, 2005
2:43 PM PT

IE is a chore. I have ben using Firefox since its launch. Microsoft shoul get out of the browser business and stick to operating system. Who needs patches every week?

JH Noel
February 16, 2005
3:34 PM PT

Why won't IE include a smart popup blocker? Newer editions include that annoying info bar or whatever it was. Plus, it'd be nice to be able to send a bookmarked link to another folder by right-click and a Send To function.

Anonymous
February 16, 2005
3:53 PM PT

I would like the "find" feature in IE7 as on firefox. In IE6 most of the time the founded word is hidden behind the informqtion/question box. Firefox uses the find feature in the bottom, that's very smart.

About all those patches, I can't blame solely Microsoft, but the hackars who force Microsoft to do that. If hackers would attack other companies they would do the same. Nobody likes patches, but are you angry on Norton Anti-Virus or McAffee VirusScan as well? They have patches too every second day!

LaLoo
February 16, 2005
5:46 PM PT

I would say that I am happy with netscape on my WFW machine, I tried IE, but it wouldn't work with my proxy server for my network.
When I get around to it I am going to switch to Fire Fox on the main computer, and quit using IE. I am sick of being attacked by worms ands adware (the worms were sasser, the blaster). Because I use dial-up (connects anywhere from 12k to 26.4k) I can't download any service packs.
I would espesially like it if you could completely remove IE from windows (one thing I really like about win 3.x and early versions of 95)

Frank
February 16, 2005
6:08 PM PT

Microsoft is going to make something new that will really work without their standard malfunctions. Tha's a laugh. Their procducts are nothing but screwed up crap because they are only interested in makking more bucks. They don't have enough brains to figure out how to make a sensible, functional program. They only know how to make more "buttons" for garbage that no one uses. Hopefully some day some one will bring out a product that is worth while, and we won't have to put up with Gates and his garbage.

Lou Cori
February 16, 2005
6:16 PM PT

The main reason is that it supports VBScript and there are tons of legacy application that use it in the enterprise. That and ActiveX. Try to go to a web-based service for Real Estate or other Major Industry and find applications that are B2B or B2C that do not use these MS technologies.

That is only because HTML coders that build the websites for IE use really shite coding since IE allows for the interpretation of shite coding unlike Mozilla.
Bit like handing in an English essay to your english teacher full of bad grammar and bad punctuation and bad spelling and being allowed to get away with it.

winmacguy
February 16, 2005
9:58 PM PT

I'm use firefox 1.0 and earlier version. it's good software for web browsing only. I trust for feature and security in firefox when look on dangerous website. (sometime to finding code for some application software)

If Microsoft develop IE 7 as soon. they will make to best browser than firefox !
*** War browser has never end. ***

roger
February 16, 2005
11:30 PM PT

Knowing MS, and knowing IE, I think the one thing people will be wishing for before it's been out a month will be IE 7 SP1.

LittleBunnyFooFoo
February 17, 2005
12:25 AM PT

just cos firefox is open source doesnt automatically make it great, i only ever use it when i use linux (cos obviously, no IE on linux) sure, IE gets exploited more but if you actually know what youre doing (and perhaps try downloading those MS updates once in a while) you'll be perfectly safe. im not looking forward to IE 7 cos version 6 seems just about perfect to me, i think the only new "features" will be tighter integration with all the products i hate (eg. outlook, WMP) and more unnecessary bloat. and of course, MS will probably include tabbed browsing *shudder* tabbed browsing sucks... all in all, i think i'll stick to version 6

gdfrgbha
February 17, 2005
3:18 AM PT

I use Fire Fox Browser, for it is an excellent browser.

Amy
February 17, 2005
9:58 AM PT

The most important thing I would like to see in IE7 would be non-integration. I like IE, but I would also like to remove it completely and safely in the furure (like when I find a brouser thats better and more comfortable). What happened in Europe with WMP (MS was required to offer a version of windows w/o WMP) should happen in the US with IE, WMP, and Outlook.

Michael
February 17, 2005
11:27 AM PT

First, there's nothing they could do that would get me to personally switch back from Firefox to IE. But a major priority for MS should be making browser hijacking impossible. In supporting IE users, this has become the bane of my existence.

Rixware
February 17, 2005
2:39 PM PT

hi i would like to see IE. look and opporate just like MOZILLA

so how about KILL IE .

john van vliet
February 17, 2005
3:10 PM PT

Microsoft needs to make sure their new IE 7 remains accessible! That's ultimately my concern. Inaccessible technology equates directly to lost employment and educational opportunities for the blind!

Darrell Shandrow
February 17, 2005
4:38 PM PT

Most of the IE-haters hate Microsoft for reasons *other* than IE, and far too many see Firefox as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Come on, folks; Web brosers (all of them) are just *tools*. I, for one, prefer IE because it has a faster browser engine than Firefox. However, the PR2 release of the forthcoming Netscape 8 is almost as fast (and yes, it is faster than Firefox).

Another thing, they are raving over browser tabbing. That is one feature I happen to *loathe*, as there is no standard way of enabling browser tabbing (it's not a Netscape or even Firefox issue, as several IE-based browsers support tabbing, also, and I hate it just as much with them). I would *much* rather start a new browser window, as opposed to simply another tab. (Yes, it uses more system resources, but I am not the type of person to underpower his computer when building it in the first place.) I have both the PR2 version of Netscape and the updated version of IE 6 on this PC (I used to also have Firefox installed, but I removed it due to lack of speed).

Open source, schmopen source. I want a browser that does what I need it to. And right now, it's from Microsoft, it's named Internet Explorer 6, and it's F-R-E-E.

Christopher L. Estep
February 17, 2005
6:12 PM PT

I've been using Firefox since v0.9beta, and have stopped using IE (except when using Windows Update).

I won't be using IE regularly in the forseeable future, unless spammers start targetting FireFox with spyware also...

Nala Wang
February 17, 2005
7:13 PM PT

Firefox is still the best then. I like it for its tabbed browsing that's unlike IE that opens new window for new site I like to visit and has no popup windows blocker.

I rarely use IE anymore for it's such messier compares to Firefox.

I would like to use IE if it has all the functions the Firefox has.

Donatello
February 18, 2005
2:10 AM PT

-Full CSS3 support
-Full PNG support
-Less security holes
-tabs
-More customizations
-Search integration
-RSS built-in
-Full CSS3 support
-Full PNG support
Did I mention CSS3 and PNG?
After all that Firefox will still wallop IE. I'm never switching back.

chet
February 18, 2005
4:53 AM PT

I can only hope that Windows keeps the problems it has and allows me to keep using mandrake without the use of a software firewall. It seems to me that on Linux, I dont need to worry about this issue. Of course, this isn't just because of the coding of the software, but also due to the vast majority of those who use xp. Hackers don't need to attack Linux, because this is what they use. Also, there is a certain respect that us Linux users hold toward the developers of Linux. So although they can issue a new version, the security threats will never disappear, simply because too many people use it.

chad
February 18, 2005
7:12 PM PT

I have read a few posted comments about IE and FireFox. First off let me say that FireFox IS better than IE. I've always kept my pc updated and all the software, in any case, IE on my pc has a pop-up stopper which is slightly ok meaning when I got comast.net to check my email and click on mail, the pop-up stopper on IE thinks it's a pop-up ad, YET with FireFox it allows that but prevents illegit pop-ups.
YEAH i know just hold the ctrl key, but why do i have to press the ctrl key and click on mail in comast.net in IE when all I have to do is click onm mail with firefox?
Plus the extensions on FireFox are great, like adblock and then there's themes in case you want to change the theme of firefox, unlike ie where it stays the same.
So spread the word, switch to firefox

Angelo
February 19, 2005
2:28 AM PT

Firefox is a great browser, but the only reason it's more secure is because it doesn't have built in ActiveX controls. If you removed ActiveX from IE, both browsers would be the same, security wise.

Stephen
February 19, 2005
7:39 AM PT

Firefox has hit big time and Microsoft is goin to sweat over it. I mean you have to make IE7 lighter, defenitely more secure and most of all has to get the trust back on from the masses. May be Bill gates might be reading this from his firefox window... Wake up ... and start working

Sarfraz Ahmed
February 20, 2005
6:56 AM PT

I use Avant and I love it. I tried firefox as well but I think I prefer Avant.

semilemon
February 25, 2005
5:56 PM PT

I have switched to firefox since it first came out and I could not be happier. I can expound all of the positive features in firefox but that has been done many times already. I feel that Microsoft has not upgraded IE because they felt that in the long run, Firefox could not take away enough of a market share to really hurt them. Microsoft has had all the resources to change IE if they chose to. Now that the other new Microsft products are out, they will proceed with a new IE.

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