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Are PDAs Fixin' to Die?

Posted by Harry McCracken | Tuesday, June 01, 2004 6:10 PM PT

Seems to be a wave of market-exiting going on--first Microsoft stops making Wi-Fi equipment, and now Sony is getting out of the PDA business. To be more specific, the company says it has no plans to release new Clie handhelds for the U.S. and European markets.

That's bad news for the Palm OS; now there's only one company--PalmOne--making a full line of general-purpose PDAs built on PalmSource's OS. (The company has lots of customers, but they tend to specialize--for instance, Garmin makes a Palm OS machine with built-in GPS, and Alphasmart makes a Palm-powered notebook substitute for students.)

Even though the Palm OS remains the best handheld operating system (for my money, anyhow), the Sony news is probably bad news for folks who own any Palm OS machine--with fewer Palm devices out there, software developers may be less likely to support the OS. (I went through this a few years ago when I owned a wonderful Psion S5 handheld; when Psion stopped making PDAs, much of the third-party software disappeared.)

The vast majority of garden-variety PDA models, from companies like HP, Dell, and Toshiba, are now Microsoft-powered Pocket PCs. But you have to wonder if Microsoft's merely succeeding in sewing up a product category that's dying anyhow. Handhelds without phone or wireless data capability can be very, um...handy, but they're also dinosaurs. As much as I still like my Palm Tungsten T1, it feels antiquated compared to the PalmOne Treo 600s around the PC World offices. My bet: Within two years, virtually every handheld computing device worth considering will be a connected device, whether via cell network, Wi-Fi, or both.

That's my take, anyhow. What's yours?
Comments (38)

I think you've summed it up pretty nicely.

Dave Weikert
June 01, 2004
7:21 PM PT

I agree. I am looking for a good replacement to my PPC and my cell phone. Just waiting for a good price point.

Larry
June 01, 2004
8:11 PM PT

It's a no-brainer. It's a shame though about Palm. I would have liked to see it build up into even the portable PC aka the laptop market. Something new and simple but functional built from the ground-up sounds more appealing than Windows, with its massive size built on a foundation of 80's and 90's technology. I know, I know, all pipedreams...

xangasblogbat
June 02, 2004
1:02 AM PT

well my tungsten-c has wi-fi (right?) and its great so whats the problem... get wireless... who didnt see that coming?

Rick James
June 02, 2004
10:04 AM PT

cell phones w/ pda capabilities will take over

alfredwu
June 02, 2004
10:24 AM PT

Here's a question. What third party software is everyone after. I have had everything from Handspring to Palm to Pocketpc and I have not found anything very useful. I basically used the poocketpc like a disk on key to take documents home. I would venture to guess most everyone just wants to sync their phone with outlook for contact info and calendar info. Internet access is a bonus for high end users.

Mark
June 02, 2004
11:53 AM PT

You make some interesting points. ITt seems as though smart phones are becoming more popular or devices that incorporate everything currently on the market. The news of Sony leaving the handheld department weill definitely have an effect on the plam top device industry.Thanks

Anonymous
June 02, 2004
12:05 PM PT

You make some interesting points. ITt seems as though smart phones are becoming more popular or devices that incorporate everything currently on the market. The news of Sony leaving the handheld department weill definitely have an effect on the plam top device industry.Thanks

Anonymous
June 02, 2004
12:05 PM PT

Well, beside that i think Microsoft are doing well on using its marketing power to convince people that Pocket Pc is way better and software developer to make apps for it (see how many Windows based Pocket PC PDA out there)

Henry
June 02, 2004
8:23 PM PT

Just to break the mold, I think the basic PDA has staying power. There will be more expansion cards that offer the functionality - there are already wi-fi cards, at least for PPC. How about a cell phone SD card? Some of the prices are getting up there for the swiss army knife models. I prefer a basic model and let me choose the expansion cards I need.

Glen
June 02, 2004
9:04 PM PT

I need a very small phone (bluetooth) to take it with my everywhere, everytime and a PDA (Palm) with a screen, big enough to read and write, so I will not change for the smartphone.

Manuel de Pablos
June 03, 2004
1:15 AM PT

My PPC is indispensable to me. The reason I bought it was for keeping track of my schedule and maintaining my contacts information. It is an IPAQ 1945, has a large and legible screen, and it performs wonderfully. It is a perfect size for a PDA but would be too bulky as a phone. I believe PDAs will be around for a while because of their utility and size.

Alex
June 03, 2004
4:19 AM PT

Wireless is the future. Who wants to be connected to anything? It's what freedom is all about.

Joe Smith
June 03, 2004
4:23 AM PT

I ditched my Clie when I got a Bluetooth phone. I sync my contact and calendar information wirelessly with my Mac. No fumbling with the PDA and the phone; just find the number and dial it. Total cost: $0.00. I laid out 50 bucks and got it back a month later. $300 Pocket PC? No, thank you.

Bob
June 03, 2004
11:08 AM PT

I ditched my Clie when I got a Bluetooth phone. I sync my contact and calendar information wirelessly with my Mac. No fumbling with the PDA and the phone; just find the number and dial it. Total cost: $0.00. I laid out 50 bucks and got it back a month later. $300 Pocket PC? No, thank you.

Bob
June 03, 2004
11:08 AM PT

I think your're right. Cell Phones with SD Cards or Memory Stick will be available soon

Francisco Spinola
June 03, 2004
3:42 PM PT

Who wants to carry more devices that necessary. I love my Kyocera 7135 smartphone. I have the PalmOS and phone in one decent sized device. Even get to play MP3 from the SD card slot so need for that additional gadget either. I have an older IPAQ 3850 but found it was just too big to easily carry around. Palm VX also went in the drawer. Nomad Jukebox bit the dust and too big anyway. One nice reasonably small device is what I prefer.

Sandy
June 03, 2004
4:19 PM PT

I expect big names as Sony or Toshiba or HP continue to develop handy and practical that goes wireless. XDA II of O2 is appealing. It can get connected, does presentation on the go.

Wiroyudo
June 04, 2004
4:55 PM PT

the only reason I even have a PDA is because it was a raffle prize at my husband's christmas party. for the first year I owned it, i used it as a grocery list, a game machine, and to read books I had found in pdf format. Granted, I did find it useful for planning a wedding and keeping up with appointment and checklists, but I pay more attention to the PalmDesktop than the PDA. I like my tiny cell phone, and would never want anything as big as a PDA attached to my ear, nor would I want something as small as my phone to be my calendar.

what im trying to say is that, even though i LOVE technology, and am constantly amazed and amused by it, most of this new stuff (IM on phones, wireless PDAs, camera phones, etc) I view as toys for the over-indulged big kid. There's a book, called the Hacker Ethic, that talks about how we've gotten so good at freedom that we now have no definitive difference between the work week and the weekend. Hm. I think I'll keep my tools seperate. Cell phone = me time, PDA = work time. remember that.

Terri
June 04, 2004
5:27 PM PT

I don't quite agree with the idea of mobile devices merging.

A PDA is a delicate piece of hardware and I for one don't bring it along, when I go to the beach, a club etc. In such cases I only bring my cell.

I think, the "two-pieces-setup" with both PDA and cell will be preferred by many users in the time to come.

Kasper Hyllested
June 05, 2004
2:35 PM PT

The day my new Clie arrived (to replace a dearly loved Handspring Visor which was in an accident) was the same day of Sony's announcement. I don't need wi-fi...I just want a handy portable device with all my increasing personal info, and a few games, and some reading, and my Bible and...well, it will be a long time before I want to give up my PDA.

Carol
June 05, 2004
5:57 PM PT

I agree that regular PDAs are on the path to extinction, but I don't think the majority of PocketPC based PDAs is a threat to PalmOS PDAs, since PalmOS is easier to develop for and already has more software available for it.

GameboyRMH
June 07, 2004
6:20 AM PT

I agree that regular PDAs are on the path to extinction, but I don't think the majority of PocketPC based PDAs is a threat to PalmOS PDAs, since PalmOS is easier to develop for and already has more software available for it.

GameboyRMH
June 07, 2004
6:20 AM PT

Personally I still have a need for my PDA (Toshiba e805) even though my phone is a decent PDA (Sony p800).

I do use the PIM features of my Tosh. First and foremost the screen on the Toshiba is gorgeous in VGA res. I have the utility that allows me to run VGA in all modes. I have a translation program on my PDA for when I travel. Since the screen is so nice and big I also use it to review images from my digital camera. Try that on a tiny phone.

For my usage my Toshiba PDA can't be matched. I use the translation software a lot. The Tosh does a great job while watching DVDs ripped to video while on a plane. I use it to listen to MP3s as well. I can't overlook the advantages of having a big screen to view .pdf files or spreadsheets on as well

The QVGA screens (240x320) didn't do me much better than my Sony phone but the Tosh is a real reason to have a PDA. Phones with screens this big are too bulk to hold up to your ear and you look stupid, My Sony p800 phone is about as big as I want to tolerate.

Tim
June 07, 2004
12:06 PM PT

PDAs will die, I would ditch my Clie for a PDA-Phone (I dont know what to call them).

Anonymous
June 07, 2004
7:13 PM PT

I disagree that PDAs will disappear. The problem with Palms is that their simplistic functions can be replicated easily on cell phones, so why own both? Microsoft PDAs do much more and, therefore, there will be a market for their advanced applications, such as web browsing on a decent size screen, editing word and excel documents, listening to music and vatching movies.

Anonymous
June 11, 2004
11:52 AM PT

I disagree that PDAs will disappear. The problem with Palms is that their simplistic functions can be replicated easily on cell phones, so why own both? Microsoft PDAs do much more and, therefore, there will be a market for their advanced applications, such as web browsing on a decent size screen, editing word and excel documents, listening to music and watching movies. These cannot be done comfortably or effectively on a cell phne.

Anonymous
June 11, 2004
11:52 AM PT

There would always be a practical use for a stand alone PDA and also for a smartphone hybrid PDA set-up.

For business, specialization by other Palm OS PDA Manufacturers may already have a niche on their specific target markets needs, but in order for a product category like the general purpose Palm OS PDA's to sustain its continued existence and viability, market conditions must also be considered.

If indeed the trend and market conditions would be supportive of the smartphone hybrid PDA set-up rather than a stand alone Palm OS PDA, then I guess it would only be natural for manufacturers to move in that direction and focus their resources towards this emerging technology.

I have a Handspring Visor Prism and Phone PDA, that I still use today together with all of its compatible springboard expansion accessories. Other than it's bulky size, weight and old technology by todays standards, it works fine as expected from a smartphone hybrid PDA.

Of course I'd like to upgrade and buy its latest successor which is the Treo 600, but I'm holding off till it releases a new version with bluetooth connectivity, and hopefully with wi-fi capability also.

Having the latest technology at your disposal is an advantage if it would satisfy a persons needs, but it would be always difficult to predict what the market would eventually consider to be its general preference.

Mike Bautista
June 12, 2004
3:05 PM PT

As posted previously by KH, I will take my cell (Nokia 3590 - small & discreet) to places like the beach, but not a PDA.

I don't have a PDA, but am entering the market. I've been trying to decide whether to go with a Palm OS sys (e.g. Palm or Sony) or a PPC sys.

I'm glad that I've read this article, cuz I'm now swayed towards PPC (i.e. Dell Axim30). The camera on the Zire 72 wasn't very good and now given all the controversies surrounding camera phone, a camera on the PDA may not be worth

anonymous
June 14, 2004
2:37 AM PT

I believe PDA will be replaced by smartphone. BUT, how long does it take? A year, two years? Users have to think about a smartphone costs nowadays. Switching from Laptop to PDA has put a lot of software incapable. Eg, did u see someone who are using a PDA to develop a program or generating a 3D graphic? Screen is too small and the processor is not powerful enough. PDA only can handle small application like shopping list, reminder, etc. What do u think a smartphone can do? Watching Video? Web browsing?

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June 14, 2004
8:59 AM PT

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I must be in a market minority then: I use my Palm many times each day at work (information retrieval -- medical references), and outside work (PIM, databases, simple games to fill waiting times). I prefer to separate cell phone from PDA owing to form factor: I want them to fit into a pocket. I can't use a cellphone in the hospital anyway, and when I do use a cellphone, I need the PDA separately to look up or jot down information, book meetings, etc. Frankly I can't see the value of wireless yet, and wireless service is expensve. So for me the basic PDA is perfect.

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