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Hoo boy, looking forward to this matchup. Once the towers are out by EOY, I'm half-expecting Apple's machines crush anything that moves. As long as you're comparing OS X to Windows. ; )

If you buy that "Macs are too expensive" line, you may see why us Apple folks think they're worth it. It's not just the slick looks, you know.....

The difference between a Mac and a PC is like comparing a Harley to a tricycle. A Macintosh is a computer for adults, it's a premium machine with a premuim OS. Windows PCs are pure garbage, and not just in the looks department. Garbage in-Garbage out. Which is why I will never put Microsoft's OS on my Mac. MS' OS is junk, pure and simple and by putting Windows on a Mac just gets you a poor OS on a gorgeous machine.

I'm sorry - isnt a Mac running XP a Windows-Based Machine too?

Ture, that would make it a Windows based machine. The only difference is the operating system and it that case, it's Windows that's the trycycle by all accounts. The Mac provides a superior operating system and integration of software with the same Intel chip.

I look forward to the day when any Mac will be on the cover of PC magazines with a title reading "Best overall PC".

linux?

Don't you guys get tired of that same tired argument--I get tired just reading it, again, and again, and again, and again. ENOUGH ALREADY! Get a life, do your work, and use the tools that work best for you to do it. SHEESH!!

I don't "think", I test.

Only test I did to date is a Dell M60 Laptop Centrino 1.7 ghz against MacBookPro Core Duo 2.26 ghz both XP Pro SP2, 7200 rpm HD, 2 gigs RAM, and both running higher end 3D solids CAD on large files (solidworks.com), that max the video and CPU cycles on many operations.

The Open & Save and full rotation on screen were virtually the same times on both machines, but Apple was running on only one core, as SolidWorks doesn't work on dual cores yet.

Good? You bet for just being a "Boot Camp Beta".

Its a bit early to get on bandwagons, as Apple is just on the staging lap, and the workstations are not anywhere near out.

Could this be the beginning of a truce in the platform wars?

Why would you want to use Windoze on a macintosh computer. You have the best operating system in the world, why would you want to use the worst OS in the world. It's like buying a brand new Mercedes Benz S-Class and then ripping out the engine and putting a 30 year old refurbished 4 cylinder japanese engine that's on it's last legs and needs to be serviced everyday. It just goes to show how stupid most people and that you can teach good taste

As solidly as Apple has designed their hardware in the past, I think we are going to see a large spike in the purchasing of Apple hardware (notice I didn't say Macintosh).

With a solidly built platform, the ability to run both MacOS and Windows, and all of the bells and whistles that Apple is known for, why would someone *want* to buy one of the other brands? Even those that are die-hard Windows folks will no doubt be buying Apple hardware and probably only installing Windows on it.

To some it may seem like a waste, but I believe that Apple will show that they have the best hardware on the market, whether the OS running on it is MacOS, Windows or both.

I would just as soon not have windows people using my beloved Mac OS X. Half of the beauty of using a Mac has always been that I can get more done than any one else - and my work is always appreciated for its uniqueness and quality. Of course having the ability to boot windows natively will bring more people to the hardware - and once they start messing with OS X it's "good night Gracie" for windows. When that happens I will have to work a lot harder and I'm not happy about it.

Recall Bill Gates owns Apple stock...

Bill sold his stock two or three years ago.. at a nice profit :) But Apple is once again Gates-free.

I am replacing the only two Windows boxes (Win2000 and Win98) in our lab with the new dual boot iMac. Those dedicated Windows systems were used less than 15 minutes each day. The new dual boots will join a dozen other Macs in a busy, growing lab. Why have a system that can't do both when space is such a premium?

I'd like to apologise to PC World readers for the "over-enthusiasm" of some Mac heads:

"The difference between a Mac and a PC is like comparing a Harley to a tricycle. A Macintosh is a computer for adults" by Chris Belena is a prime example, though he could be just a troll of course.

Personally I am already seeing the dual-boot and virtualisation solutions now availabe for the Mac as the reasons half a dozen of my PC-using colleagues (University IS staff) indicating they will now be buying Mac systems.

All of the staff in our Computing Science department from the Head down have also within the last year swapped over to Macs (having only had one Mac-using staff member before that time).

As the analysts are saying, this is a game-changer. We are not in Kansas anymore Toto.

-Mart

NAND flash memory is getting cheaper and the first 'laptops' with 30 GB memory and no hard disks are just coming onto the market.
At first they'll be a bit expensive, but then they'll go down in price, and then the desktops will change over. I reckon we're talking about 2 to 3 years until the process is complete.
These computers will boot in a few seconds and be very fast.
Just think of the advantage Apple will have then. You'll be able to change from OS to OS (to a third OS, if you've got Linux on board) with ease, and with this huge advantage (because there's no way Apple is going to licence it's OS), Macs, I believe, will become market leaders.
Just thought I'd let you know, in case you've got any spare $'s lying around.
Because if you have, buy AAPL! They on special offer at the moment and in the next few months they're going to take off.

I too am tired of the bickering of the OS's, it is obvious which OS is more superior, but only one company upholds the value of superior hardware and software. As far as linux goes, it is a great free unix wannabee alternative but is not by any means ready. Too many glitches in the competing GUI's and too many differences as far as installing software. (insert your god here) bless Steve Jobs!!!
I have 3 power pc's and one macintel...but one dell(employer supplied)...take care

This can only be good. PC World can hold Apple accountable to making a good PC, and perhaps Apple can help PC World take good design into account as it tests PC's. I have a 20" iMac in my family room, and frankly I don't care if it's the fast PC for the money. It's beautifully designed, quiet and functional. For my money, Apple has nearly perfect designs in all segments. It'll be interesting to see how they fare in direct competition with the PC world.

You Mac evangelists are hilarious. It's all about how you set your gear up and how you use it. Reminds me of a guy at a local post-production house who insists that aiff files were far superior in quality to wav files because they're produced on a Mac. That's the kind of mentality you're dealing with when it comes to these die-hard Mac freaks. Honestly.

As an avid Mac user I was forced to recently buy a PC laptop. I felt like I was back in the DOS days where rediculously simple tasks took many steps and made no sense (ie. to shut down I first select 'start'). People use PC's for the aps - NOT the OS. Even if a paerticular PC is faster electronically than a particular Mac, in general use regarding navigation and frequently holding back the urge to smash the PC (counting to ten) it is much slower.

the point exactly..you have to set your gear up. hmmm...right out of the box works better for me...besides im tired of having spyblaster this and adblaster that and antivirus,and....and...shall i go on. lemme see unix has been around how long and it is still relative...windoze too many steps with NO power!!!

windows evangelists are pissed cuz they cant afford a mac...lmao. i guess i would be mad if i could'nt afford an Adult computer as well!

If Macs are for adults, why do so many of these comments look like they came from eight year olds? If Macs are for creative people, why so many tired cliches? I've Windows, MacOS and Linux systems for many years - horses for courses!

Well I'm looking forward to learning the difference between an ASUS board in a Mac and an ASUS board in a white box PC ;-)

In other words: We Mac users welcome the PC world to Mac-caliber performance. Took a long time for y'all to get here, but welcome nonetheless!

Apple will stop making OS X very shortly. The next version of OS X, Leopard, will be its last. Vista will end the debate of which OS is better. Everything will be as it should: Microsoft as the maker of the best operating system on the planet, and Apple as a niche player that no one takes seriously.

True that Vista will catch up completely to 10.4, but how many people will buy it. The minimum memory is 512 MB and processor atleast Pentium 4, the hardware demand goes up and PC users will be forced to pay atleast $700 + and laptops 3 to 4 times that cost.
I've never used an Apple in my life. But I feel once Vista comes out, even the PC that can run Vista with the exact required requirements will cost as much as an Apple (given that the PC is set to Match Apple's features). I'm planning on buying an Apple Laptop, the difference I found was around 400 dollars, but since Vista I guess will increase the hardware reqs, I guess Apple would evenly be matched at price.
I thing I found is that Apple doesn't discount like Dell does (Another thing to drive the newbie away)

Given that Macs are not just simply about the OS (they are also about how the OS integrates with the hardware - e.g. the backlit keyboard on the PowerBook/MBP auto-sensing when it is bright/dark, the LCD auto-sensing when it is bright/dark, the adapters glowing different colours when at different levels of charge, the power light pulsing when it is asleep, support for dual-processors built into the system, the system going to sleep as soon as I close the lid or press the power button and waking as soon as I open it or press a key, etc, etc) doing a comparison of a Mac running Windows which doesn't exploit that tie to the hardware is still not doing a direct comparison of the Mac hardware experience versus that of a PC. This is one of the other things that Windows users (and many Mac users also) forget - it isn't just the OS, it isn't just the hardware. It is the combination of the two. PCs (generally) do not offer the whole package because they can't - they don't develop the OS so they don't get niceties like that added by default. There are a few exceptions like the Thinkpads that have additional software installed by IBM/Lenovo to make the package a bit more integrated, but your bog standard PC is just that, a bog standard PC which happens to have an OS added to it. A Mac is a PC with an OS built around it and an OS with a PC built *for it*. By comparing the Mac running Windows to a PC running Windows is missing out a large part of the equation.

Actually, Peter, the current version of Windows XP is Microsoft's last OS effort. Vista will likely NEVER HAPPEN. And if it ever, EVER rolls out (read: a decade late), it may indeed catch up with 10.4. But by then, the Mac OS will be at 11.6.

Microsoft made a smart business move by to committing to yet another five years of Office for Mac. They realize that they are simply unable to deliver another OS and that their mountain is crumbling. The Mac OS will become the de facto standard across business, education, and government, and Office for Mac will ride along side of it. Everything will be as it should: Apple as the maker of the best technology solutions on the planet, and Microsoft as one of many software developers with no monopolies, no strangle-holds, and no Monkey Boy.

Wow, who would even imagine such emotions raised over as simple an issue as this. Do I detect a note of defensiveness from both sides? Personally I use a computer to do a job and choose the correct machine for price/performance. I own seven PCs. Most used for word processing and database. You won't find me blathering on about Harleys vs tricycles. And by the way, most Harley motorcycles are technically years behind the Japanese competition with air-cooled engines and twenty year-old chassis components.

Actually, The Other Peter, Vista is coming out January 2007 in the home edition, and Microsoft is already working on the version after that, codenamed Vienna.

At least the original Peter had some sense to his post.

"Longhorn" to ship in 2003.
"Longhorn" to ship in 2004.
"Longhorn" to ship in 2005.
"Vista" to ship in late 2005.
"Vista" to ship in early 2006.
"Vista" to ship in late 2006.
"Vista" to ship in early 2007.

Are you seeing a pattern here, Other Other Peter?

"People use PC's for the aps - NOT the OS." at least somebody of judicious.
"windows evangelists are pissed cuz they cant afford a mac...lmao"
it's fun to blame people for being poorer than you... or because they just don't want to put 1200$ for a computer when they can achieve the same tasks for 500$...

I don't know if "a Macintosh is a computer for adults" but actually it seems that it attract a lot of childish personalities...

regards,
Sensi

(i used to have a mac, btw)

Vista _may_ catch up to Tiger, but it will fall way behind to Leopard soon enough. Also, at the rate Vista's going, who's to say it will ever be done, or that it will be anything like MS promises it will when it comes out?

The crucial thing, in my mind, is how well Apple can sell people on its native APIs. As Boot Camp matures, there will be a temptation to stop making Mac ports (although having to pay for Windows should limit this, as many users probably won't bother). If Apple can find a way to prevent this and use its (hopefully) expanding market share to push OSX native APIs, Apple could be in for the golden age its faithful have been waiting for since 1984.

I am neither a PC pro nor an APPLE enthusiast. I considered myself a neutral but now with all the HULABALOO you Applites are making, inclining more towards PCs. it seems to me pretty dumb to go out and buy a Mac AND go out and buy Windows XP AND then have to reboot my PC to change from one OS to another. My PC does the job well. Security? BAH! Your PC is like ya feet. You dont take care of them they smell. It is no coincidence the market share is 95:5. I hope it stays that way.

sorry about the n;lj;

i love my mac. i had an early g5 imac and it died. apple care replaced it, and now i have one of the last powerpc macs. i could have had intel, but i foresaw "bootmania" and i'm worried about the windows' can of worms, horses, and etc's,
maybe it's slower (i don't notice milliseconds), and if osx gets more popular it might be just as vulnerable but sometimes it's better to be patient.

windows works well
osx works well

they're just machines

As a Mac user, I'm embarrassed by some of the comments made by my fellow Mac users. Personally, I think OSX and Apple hardware is superior, but I know that this is just my opinion. I'm not going to be snotty about it. Those who think Windows is a better OS are correct. Better OS _for them_. Whatever works for you.

I think most of the hoopla around all of this stems from the historical antagonism that has existed between Apple and Microsoft. Personally I think the concept of running Microsoft on a Mac, even if you have to reboot to get to it, is fascinating. I think it's going to take a while to see all the implications. It's wild speculation to be making long-range predictions regarding Apple, Microsoft, and the computer industry in general.

I use Wind XP (and Unix) at work, but my choice at home is Mac OSX. If I had to run a Windows application, I welcome the Mac's ability to do it at top speed.

Faced with a personal preference of which OS to use, however, it has to be Mac OS.

There are some apps, not many, which necessitate Windows. Apple is just making it easier to live with that.

I'm not a gamer, but Macs new abilities have eliminated any of the lingering excuses by home users to not own one (that and Income Tax apps)

But Apple Computers still has the ultimate problem of not allowing the user to install new hardwares. If you want a higher RAM rate, then you'll have to wait for Apple to come out with a new one. I don't have that problem with my PC, because I just plug the hardware in and start using it.

I built My own PC. You know how much it costs? 4,369.23 after everything. You know what also, No mac will ever be faster than it. It run's windows and linux. Windows for my games, which run flawlessly, and look way better than the XBox360 will anyday. I run linux for all my virtualisation and development, which mac does not support very well :) if at all. I have a Dual SLI BFG Nvidia 7900 for my graffix, and a dual core AMD athlon processor with an Nforce 4 chipset running my system. No mac out there can and will out perform my system, and if a year down the road one comes out, I will just uprgade a couple parts and once again out do what apple has to offer. You mac users have to buy an entirely new PC. HAHAHA. Dumb Asses.

Real genius's use linux, and if it has problems by default, they fix it. You guys have to wait for apple to come out with new stuff to get what you really want. Go back to school newbies!

Very nice, suge, you are a real smart person.

One question, though: my sister in Russia gets 100 euro a month. And you spend over 4 grand on a piece of technology. shame on you, Western bastard.

I guess a lot of you are missing the point. Apple makes fantastic software for home use but most offices use MS systems. So for guys like me who hate mediocrity in things we buy for ourselves, its an Apple for home use, not to mention the fact that I like things in my house to look good as well as work good. However, the ability to swap to MS say to link to the office sort e-mails etc will be great. This removes one of the major reasons people have given for not buying an Apple when they really wanted to. It will encourage new users for the iLife suite of programmes and I expect to see more and more home users on Apple in the near future.

"Apple will stop making OS X very shortly. The next version of OS X, Leopard, will be its last. Vista will end the debate of which OS is better. Everything will be as it should: Microsoft as the maker of the best operating system on the planet, and Apple as a niche player that no one takes seriously."

Oh man... what kind of Kool-Aid have you been drinking? (And people go off about how zealous Mac users are...)

The simple fact is that by the time Vista comes out (that is if it stays on it's recently pushed back yet again schedule, and that is a BIG IF, 10.5 will already be out and then Microsoft will still be in Apple's dust, in spite of the fact they've copied virtually every GUI feature of OSX into Vista. I'd would bet a months pay that Vista gets pushed back at least once more before it actually does come out.

As for the issue of tools to do a job, while Windows is clearly an inferior OS (this is not just my opinion, my wife is an MCSE certified on XP and 2003 server, and her machine of choice is a Mac, and all of her coworkers in the network security department where she works also use Macs as their personal machines, in spite of the fact the company doesn't support them and makes all its employees use Windows and they use an exclusively Windows network), some developers are simply too damn lazy to put the effort into the Mac version of their product to make it usable. (Don't bother with the "not as much software for the Mac" argument, that's total crap because all of the major apps that are used in most industries are available for the Mac, and those apps that aren't are pretty much niche apps or total crap.) For example, I use Matlab (yes, a niche app) daily for my work and research, but the Mac version of it stinks; unstable, buggy, and it has to run in X11. For using Matlab, I use Windows simply because that is where Matlab works best. However, thanks oddly enough to Microsoft, using Remote Desktop for the Mac allows me to remotely log into my PC tower from my PowerBook, do all my stuff with Matlab, all in the comfort of Mac OS X; no virtualization required, no rebooting required. Best of all, it's the PC that's doing all the heavy lifting, so the fan in my PowerBook hardly ever wakes up.

Windows has made a lot of progress, particularly with stability, but Microsoft is still years behind Apple in usability and OS design. If they weren't, why would they still be copying Mac OS?

Welcome to our Macs, PC World.

That Suge guy is a dork -- and not the good kind.

Enjoy your $4,300 computer. Don't forget to bathe every couple of weeks.

MACS SUCK. WHY HASN'T ANYBODY ALERTED THESE IDIOTS OF THIS YET.

I like my windows. I like my ability to play good games. I like my pc parts. I don't care how good a mac is. I will never ever ever buy one because they are made with the souls of dead children Steve Jobs killed.

P.S. Ipods suck. You buy one, it breaks right after the warranty expires, you buy another one a few years later, it breaks as well. Rinse, repeat.

Hm..

"Ipods suck, they break.." -- Um no. I have three. None have ever broke. Maybe you should stop slamming yours on the ground.

Where's my clue bat

Hmm. Apple hardware is finally reaching a parity... OS X and Windows are both perfectly good OSes, as are half a dozen flavors of unix. Personally I think all the little children that think they are adults with their cutesy macs and poor attitudes need to grow up and learn some respect; for themselves and everyone else.

I been in this game long enough to know that _nothing_ comes outta the box perfect. I have not seen a single computer that I haven't had to fiddle with in the last 2 decades. Does that make it bad hardware? No. Bad software? No. Just means I have different preferences then the people that set the system up for sale. I have nearly a dozen personal machines that run the gumet from win98 and MacOS 7 to WinXP and OS X; and that doesn't even touch my unix hardware. None of them is perfect, but each has it's own very good uses and things it excels at.

This is an interesting turn, little more... and all you little zealots should go somewhere and learn some respect.

man, to think we get to argue about computers and differences between OS's, and there are people starving in the world. Get some freaking priorities people, or keep things in perspective at least. Be thankful you dont have to worry about getting blown up by a IED.
Ohh thats right, no one gives a crap about that stuff. bunch of morons.

Wow... That picture of the testing guys is AMAZING.

If Apple was to release OSX to run on OEM hardware (not apple supplied) machines, I think that would definitely be the tipping point. MacOSX is superior to Windows, but I'd argue that Mac Hardware isn't even close. My Homebuilt system is much better then any mac hardware out there today, and like a previous poster said, if one wants a better video card, or ram, just put it in, no problems, no fusses. Mac, New system.

I've been checking them out, a Imac comes with a x1600 (low end gaming card) what if I wanted to upgrade that, I couden't. And that's why Mac will never beat windows. NiceOS + low/mid end hardware=Mac. But to put the premium label on mac hardware, is a total overstatement of the truth, Maxtor harddrives, Intel Core Duo Processors and ATI'x X1600's aren't premium hardware, they are all mid end hardware, at best. But MacOSX is sweet.

I think any one who says one OS is better than the other is stupid. Ignorant. The hardware is what matters, and this is what PC World is trying to compare. People are all complaining about GUI's. In the code base, OSX's darwin is built not from scratch, but from a Unix base. So is linux. Microsoft writes their own stuff, which is why it takes so long. Microsoft does standalone software. Apple does pretty. *nix's do computing and interfacing. They are all necessary. They are actually all starting to look really F****** cool if you ask me. All of them can do the same stuff. People need to stop compaining and start using all of them. In fact... we all already do, all the time, everywhere... most morons just don't know it and should get a little better understanding of how computers have evolved... This is idiocricy, why don't we just start some browser wars here too?

I use windows, i think Macs ar better but i cant afford one so being nutral: YOU SHOULD ALL GROW UP. no one is making any arguments based on fact, windows isn't that bad once you get used to it.

ok I am not a "fanboy" of any os but, windows will never be as good as mac until they figure out a way to keep the damn things from crashing all the fucking time.I personally have to use windows until i have the funds to buy a mac and i wanrt to wait for the 2.33ghz intel prossesors(because lets face it they are way too damn expensive) so i am stuck at the moment.Of ourse in using windows i have had to wipe my hardrive about 5 times even using za and opimization tools.Macs never crash(and thats a fact).Apple does take alot from other peoples ideas but makes it a hell of alot better.Now that they will even be able to run windows..so does that not make apple superior?
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To all the Mac zealots saying Windows sucks and why would anyone ever want to install it on their Mac, realise that some people need to run Windows. You may be happy to live without Windows but some people need to use it to get buy.
To all the Windows zealots proclaiming Macs suck and your self built boxes are better in all respects, not everyone cares about getting the fastest hardware. They just want a computer that they can plug in and go, Apple offers these.
And to those saying Vista will make other OS?s irrelevant. Windows 95 had that same claim, yet other OS?s are relevant. The last major update to Windows, XP, offered little more over 2000. Many people reviewing betas of Vista aren?t seeing a whole lot more over XP other than some shiny graphics and security feature, many of which were in OS X in 2001. Vista will be good, but it won?t be the huge improvement it was originally meant to be. Late 06/Early 07 is going to be a huge turning point in the computer industry.

Yeah - OSX makes much more sense. I feel very good about dragging a hard drive to the trash can to eject it.

And for the moron with the "adult" computer argument. You are a self-important, silly little kid (an only child, perhaps). iMacs really scream Adult with a capital A. The old flavored iMacs too. Actually, the emphasis on aestetics is all about adults. And them cute little crap mice Apple insists on making. Especially the Fisher Price apps on the Fisher Price looking OS - Adult City. And you have to love the "Hey, aren't I cute and special?" Mac users. As an artist - the most important thing about my art is how cool and special I am for the computer I'm using. Patting myself on my special little back is a sign of reaching true mastery in my craft. Redheaded stepchildren are meant to be beaten, be glad most computer users are nice to you.

I think any one who says one OS is better than the other is stupid. Ignorant. The hardware is what matters, and this is what PC World is trying to compare. People are all complaining about GUI's. In the code base, OSX's darwin is built not from scratch, but from a Unix base. So is linux. Microsoft writes their own stuff, which is why it takes so long. Microsoft does standalone software. Apple does pretty. *nix's do computing and interfacing. They are all necessary. They are actually all starting to look really F****** cool if you ask me. All of them can do the same stuff. People need to stop compaining and start using all of them. In fact... we all already do, all the time, everywhere... most morons just don't know it and should get a little better understanding of how computers have evolved... This is idiocricy, why don't we just start some browser wars here too?

Er, Macs do too crash. If you haven't seen one crash, then you just aren't trying.... ;) If you'd like I could email you some pics of mac crash screens...

Superior hardware, superior software - Quad dual core Opterons with 16GB ram and dual GeForce cards in SLI running Linux... But that is a whole different league. ;)

You want an OS to not crash? Don't do stupid stuff. All there is to it. Honest. Want an OS to crash? Do stupid stuff.

What is stupid stuff? Not bothering to learn the strengths/weaknesses of the OS, running programs that are liable to have bugs (IM clients, web browsers, games, anything from an over worked and under paid dev team), not bothering to figure out that maybe - just maybe - something between the console and the chair happens to be behaving like a moron (a temporary condition in most cases..)

Yeah, I need a cluebat.. wonder where that case of them went...

As Milki as "I thing I found is that Apple doesn't discount like Dell does (Another thing to drive the newbie away)" is simply not true.
Apple does offer student discounts. I got my laptop a Macbook Pro cheaper.
This is my first Mac. Being a die hard fan of Windows I promply installed both OSes but I was won over by the OS X due to the speed and simplicity of it. I now use O X mainly, Windows is only for games :)
Another thing I noted, Dell does offer coupons but the upgrade price on Dell parts is much higher than HP, Acer, and other brands. If one applies the discount coupons of Dell, then the price is relatively same as the other PC Brands. That coupon is just a marketing gimmick.

I've had both for 20+ years... rarely even turn on my Windows boxes anymore.

The Solution

Apple will license OS X. I know all the Macheads are rolling their eyes right now, but look at Apple's record. Apple says they won't do a flash-based player. We now have two: shuffle and nano. Apple says iPods won't do video. We now have the iPod that does video. Many thought Apple would never transition to Intel. We now have Intel-based minis, iMacs, and MacBooks. Apple said they wouldn't prevent anyone from running Windows. Now they're actually helping people to run Windows with Boot Camp. Whatever Apple says, they do the opposite. Apple is a software company , and they will license Mac OS X.

I'll buy a Mac, not a problem. I'll buy OSX when developers make my work software able to run on OSX. Pretty simple. OSX and WXP arguements are pointless. Sad so many use name calling as justification or validation.

Wow, 4,369.23 dollars for a PC? And you have to build it yourself? For 1,300 dollars Apple will build one (with monitor included) for you and send it to you free of charge and it has an OS that has features in it that will only appear in Windows in about 1 year from now (maybe). It can run every Mac OS X program, every Windows program and every Linux program available on the planet. It can run all your games (it will have a lesser framerate, but still playable). Also included in the 1.300 dollars is iLife. This is something your 4,369.23 dollar PC cannot even run! Now who is the dumb ass?

"Posted by Chris Belena on Friday, April 14, 2006, 06:29 PM (PST)
The difference between a Mac and a PC is like comparing a Harley to a tricycle. A Macintosh is a computer for adults, it's a premium machine with a premuim OS. Windows PCs are pure garbage, and not just in the looks department. Garbage in-Garbage out. Which is why I will never put Microsoft's OS on my Mac. MS' OS is junk, pure and simple and by putting Windows on a Mac just gets you a poor OS on a gorgeous machine."

that is the gayest shit ive ever heard... calling a piece of tech. georgous, is just plain gay, however 46% of mac users are gay or have had a homosexual experience.

Posted by Gasman on Saturday, April 15, 2006, 07:27 AM (PST)
I would just as soon not have windows people using my beloved Mac OS X. Half of the beauty of using a Mac has always been that I can get more done than any one else - and my work is always appreciated for its uniqueness and quality. Of course having the ability to boot windows natively will bring more people to the hardware - and once they start messing with OS X it's "good night Gracie" for windows. When that happens I will have to work a lot harder and I'm not happy about it.

another gay mac user...
im a graphic desinger and i use both. How does the OS you use have an effect on your ablity to create unique work?

The only reason to run Windows is the game library. Once the PowerMac updates to intel with conroe these will be the undisputed leaders in performance. gamers will start buying macs in droves causing apple to gain market share from voodoo and falcon nw and alll the others who go out of business,

Wow, this is all truely enlightened discussion. Let me see if I can sum up the ideas so far, starting with the nonsense ones.
1-Windows will fill up with viruses and spyware
2-Mac users can't upgrade their own machines
3-If you don't run Linux, you are an inferior human
4-A large minority of Mac users are homosexual.
5-Windows will completely dominate the market in 2 years
6-Mac OS X will completely dominate the market in two years
7-Macs don't run linux
8-Windows is a lagging copy of the Mac OS
None of these OSes or hardware platforms has a fatal flaw, it's just a matter of taste. Now, some of the valid and relevant points.
1-Making Windows Available on Apple hardware reduces the pressure on software developers to create Mac versions
2-A true level comparison has not been achieved. The apple hardware will be judged in terms of how well it runs with Windows. This article refers to benchmarks, not an overall review
3-Apple systems become a good choice for those wanting to hedge their bets for the future, where previously it may have been considered risky.
Really, everyone should be happy about BootCamp. Apple will seel more hardware, Microsoft will sell more software, and users have more choices and freedoms. Maybe all of this posturing is just a final hoorah for the days of the OS wars.

I'm buying a MacBookPro, as soon as I can afford one (next month or so). I've liked Macs for a long time now (some 4 years) and followed every rumor (yah I know...zealot) since Mac OS X's arrival. The desision to finally buy a Mac come from:
1. My old stationary broke down (PC, but yah anyways).
2. The current laptop borrowd from my sister is making me wanna throw it out from Mount Everest's top, because of its constant shut-downs if I watch a pron movie or anything processor "heavy" job.

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3. Because of Boot-Camp I can rest assure, that I can link with my old mates back in Faroe Islands this summer, and do some nasty shoot-outs...

At last there are all the plusses. I like the simplicity of Mac OSX (I respect those who don't), I get a really good looking notebook with a lot of power and the abilty ofcourse to run the two best OS'es for the two different things (mainly playing games, and doing work/surfing internet etc.).
I deeply agree with some others in here, that all the OS' do there job great in their respective genre.

B.r. Martin Andreas

hay witch one is better for gaming i need help for buying a new pc