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Friday, September 23, 2005 3:58 PM PT Posted by Erik Larkin

Yahoo's Powerful New Approach to Webmail

Look out, Outlook: Yahoo Mail is beta testing a new interface that brings the look and feel of a desktop client to Web mail.

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Goodbye checkboxes, hello preview pane. No more client refreshes, no more "Move…" button. Now you can just hit the delete key on your keyboard and watch the message immediately disappear - instead of clicking a checkbox, hitting a delete button, and waiting for the page to refresh. Or just drag-and-drop a message into a different folder.

The preview pane acts just like that of Outlook or Thunderbird. To see older messages you just scroll down. No more need to click "next" and wait for a new page load.

With this new interface, the only major difference from a desktop client interface that I could see was no way to work offline. All the changes are front-end, though. The options page, including filtering rules and the like, is (at least for now) the same page you see with the regular Web mail interface.

The new look also sports Firefox-like tabs for things like composing an email or working with your address book. You can switch between tabs to search for something from another email, for instance, while you're in the middle of writing a new message.

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Searches get an upgrade, too. A familiar search box will check the subject, sender, and body of messages, and even search through the contents of attachments. The results go into a new tab.

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The current beta lets you switch back and forth between the new look and the old one as much as you want.

Yahoo works this magic using dynamic HTML, or what's been lately called AJAX. The new interface is based on one originally made by Oddpost, a company Yahoo acquired, but isn't restricted to IE only like Oddpost's was.

The bad news is that the current beta test is invite-only, and Yahoo hasn't set a date for an open public beta. We'll be sure to let you know when they do open it up, though.

What do you think? Are you looking forward to the days when things look and feel the same whether you're using a Web mail client or one on your desktop? Or should Yahoo leave well enough alone? Tell us here:
Comments

This is the best thing since webmail.

Anonymous
September 23, 2005
4:52 PM PT

does not work in opera... bad news.

Sushubh
September 23, 2005
5:00 PM PT

Too little, too late. Gmail is the next generation mail interface. Yahoo doesn't seem to understand "ease of access" nor cross functional integration (and this for web based services, which almost has ease of access and integration built in already!)

lyberty
September 23, 2005
5:34 PM PT

It doesent matter. Neither Gmail nor the new Yahoo webmail are public yet!

Anonymous
September 23, 2005
6:30 PM PT

Doesn't work in Mozilla either. Nothing about Yahoo mail plus has changed. Personally, I belive your reporter is on Microsoft's payroll and is blowing smoke in order to try to get Yahoo mail users angry at Yahoo.

It didn't work, you pathologically lying Republican son of a Bush!

Ty_Meissner
September 23, 2005
6:35 PM PT

Gmail is clunky and old compared to this new Yahoo Beta. I am one of the lucky ones beta-testing it.

Scott-O-Rama
September 23, 2005
8:40 PM PT

how do we get an invite?

xtie
September 24, 2005
12:04 AM PT

Why do I want a preview of sp*m that might have not been bulked by Yahoo filters? I turn off preview in Outlook Express; can I do so in the Yahoo mail beta? Who needs exposure to problems carried in malmail?

chesscanoe
September 24, 2005
4:33 AM PT

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 23, 2005, 06:30 PM (PST)
It doesent matter. Neither Gmail nor the new Yahoo webmail are public yet!


Incorrect. Gmail is public. You can go sign up right now

Nick
September 24, 2005
6:33 AM PT

Yahoo's web-based email client is already as good as the next (imho), although it would be nice if it had some of gmail's archiving/indexing capabilities (I still agree with Scott-O-Rama on gmail's clunkiness, though). The beta can only be an improvement on what they already have. The beta should also work in Thunderbird, and Mozilla 1.0.x, by using a POP emulator such as YPOPS! - it works for me using Yahoo's current mail app. I don't use Opera, but using the above in their email program should work as well - wich would be "good news".

Also, Nick is correct; gmail has finally gone public now, I believe. You should also be able to get it by signing up for Google's custom home page.

SurfCook1.

P.S. - Why is there always one MS conspiracist in every crowd (even for webmail :-/)? Don't like it, don't use it.

SurfCook1
September 24, 2005
7:19 AM PT

I certainly like the idea of a web based email system that operates more like a regular mail client. I cannot wait to have the oppurtunity to use this new mail system. For years, I have used yahoo and have been very happy with their service. The spam filter works very well and I like that virus scanning is built in to check all attachments.

John Keels
September 24, 2005
7:41 AM PT

I think its nothing more than Outlook Web Access.. which still sucks.. With gmail you can use Outlook/Thunderbird/Opera because they allow POP mail access.. Gmail's web version is more about organizing the message than about pretty interface..

Well when Yahoo makes it public I will check it out for sure.. but still i think if they make Yahoo Mail accessible by POP as it used to be it will be much better.

A
September 24, 2005
8:12 AM PT

"Too little, too late. Gmail is the next generation mail interface."

... Gmail's conversations feature can be a pain. And I'd much rather have folders than labels, though both would be nice

Steve
September 24, 2005
8:50 AM PT

FYI, the new interface does work with Firefox (the browser I used for the screenies). But you won't see any changes or options to switch to the new interface until Yahoo makes the beta public, and they didn't say when that would be.

Erik Larkin
September 24, 2005
11:24 AM PT

Gmail scores on every aspect of web mailing hands down, the awesome storage, using the shortcut keys is a snap and fun, using AJAX technology to good effect, with no intruding ads, the speed of all the aspects of mail. Yahoo and Hotmail literally stopped working on webmail until gmail arrived and were very close to charging users. Gmail's intuitive, no nonsense webmail ever and is a God send. Period.

Randhir Reddy
September 24, 2005
1:27 PM PT

i'll stick to shinyfeet, more features than both yahoo and gmail, plus real spam filtering (not just some lame tag claiming less spam)

glad they bought oddpost to make this, though - yahoo's webmail sucks, at least oddpost is bringing something feature rich

frankfooter
September 24, 2005
9:49 PM PT

bah, all these newfangled gizmos! gimme a telegraph machine anyday!

deet deet doot / deet doot doot / deet deet deet / doot deet doot!

red hand
September 24, 2005
9:52 PM PT

I like GMail, but I would like the OPTION to organize message using folders; the "conversation" thing gets clunky sometimes, for one thing making it a hassle to delete a single message.
I'd like to check out the Yahoo interface as well, but I also like Inbox.com (2GB storage, contacts, tasks, notes and integrated storage, all with NO ads), available right now. There are also a few reasons I like web-based rather than local client-based email, and that is all my mail survives OS reloading without my having to remember to back it up.

Toulinwoek
September 25, 2005
6:39 AM PT

Wow! I love this! It looks wonderful and I definately can't wait till it comes out! I wish they would hurry up, it sounds really exciting!

Stephen Nichols
September 25, 2005
11:55 AM PT

I can't wait until Yahoo webmail is released. The current design is too cluttered and takes too long to load. Gmail has a nice design that loads fast and is easy to use, although I wish Gmail would have folders in addition to labels.

Annonymouse
September 25, 2005
12:24 PM PT

I would like to see:
1. that this Outlook-style interface works under Linux (not only a couple distros)
2. the ability to disable the preview pane, just for safety's sake.
3. While we're at it, when will Yahoo improve its Linux Messenger? It does not work under SuSE 9.1....

Oswaldo Bellido
September 25, 2005
5:02 PM PT

I used to use Oddpost. It was incredible. The only drawback was that it was PC IE only. When I heard Yahoo bought them, I knew what they were up to. This is going to blow everyone else out of the water.

But I still hate Yahoo.

Chris Collinsworth
September 26, 2005
6:25 AM PT

Gmail may be clunky, but it's nothing compared to hotmail. Hotmail stinks.

Given the competition between Yahoo and Google, I am guessing that Gmail will soon have features similar to Yahoo mail.

I have a Gmail, Hotmail, and Yahoo mail account.

bigJ
September 26, 2005
7:25 AM PT

right now my yahoo account is only still around because of yahoo's other services. i use yahoo for pretty much everything.

i have no idea why google is so popular when yahoo has everything you could ever possibly neeed.

yar!
September 26, 2005
8:41 AM PT

Having used Yahoo beta for almost two weeks now, and having been an Oddpost user (they are the company which was bought out by Yahoo) for about 2 years I must say this is far superior to Gmail. I do hold a Gmail account just because I thought I should test it out, but Yahoo Beta Mail will definitely take over a lot of Gmail users. The interface is so clean and nice and easy to use, it is the next generation in webmail!!!

Oddpost + Yahoo = the best out there!!!

Chaim Dan
September 26, 2005
9:07 AM PT

And yeah, you can disable the preview pane, it's just an option...

Chaim Dan
September 26, 2005
9:14 AM PT

It doesn't matter to me what interface Yahoo uses as long as it does not require Java or ActiveX. I do not allow either to run on my machine. Java is potentially dangerous and allows Yahoo to do all sorts of covert operations on your computer.

Jack Flash
September 26, 2005
10:01 AM PT

Go hotmail! woohoo!

Anonymous
September 26, 2005
6:41 PM PT

can yahoo beta users invite in regular yahoo users? i would really like to try it out

Anonymous
September 26, 2005
6:43 PM PT

as applications become web based and more advanced the needs for Microsoft products will reduces until eventually Microsoft leadership will be diminished.

Mohammad
September 27, 2005
10:10 AM PT

well, yahoo mail is accessable by POP but they make you pay $10-20 for it =S

GO GMAIL!!

Daniel
September 27, 2005
10:39 AM PT

For the record, people like google mail because of the space, which is always increasing

Anonymous
September 27, 2005
10:41 AM PT

Where's the innovation here? It looks just like my desktop client. I'll take gmail thanks. Sure, it could use some tweaking too, some degree of manual control of conversation grouping comes to mind, but at least it's fresh.

Tommy
September 27, 2005
10:45 AM PT

Unfortunetely no invites are available yet, they are just doing the beta test with people familiar with the previous Oddpost UI.

The price Yahoo charges for the Pro edition is not for POP alone, their other features are what really got me to upgrade to the pro version (mainly the disposible e-mail addresses, spam control etc...)

Chaim
September 27, 2005
12:49 PM PT

i like gmail becuse too much space
yahoo is fucked up

Noman khan
September 27, 2005
7:25 PM PT

What's the deal with needing 2 Gigs ? I keep my emails since year 2000 and the total usage is not even 500 Mb's, and I send out lots of mails daily including subcriptions to dozen mailing lists (and I don't even need to delete those ml mails yet).

Gmail needs to allow checking from "other pops" and like many people here, I still prefer the old folder style. Nevertheless, Gmail clearly wins Yahoo in term of speed. One of a nice features of Gmail is even when I use Yahoo's interface to send mail using my gmail name, gmail somehow is alwo aware and keeps a copy of it.

I pay $20 for Yahoo's mail + since all my emails are done via webmail, I stop using pop clients long ago. It has served me well for the past several years.

Anonymous
September 27, 2005
8:10 PM PT

I'll stick with Burntmail http://burntmail.com. I've been using the services of Burntmail since it launched 3 years ago. It doesn't support any form of advertisements, 1001MB of disk space for paid accounts, costs only $15 per/year, the look and feel of the interface pages of Burntmail is like that of OutLook Express, has its own POP and SMTP settings (which I use in OutLook Express), and the BEST antispam filters that anyone has ever come up with. Yahoo!, MSN Hotmail, and GMail don't even come close to what Burntmail offers. AND, it wholly Canadian owned and operated; based in Calgary, Alberta.

GMail??!! Who would support a web-based email servcie that inserts advertisements in outgoing messages to the recepient? Sounds like SPAM to me. MSN Hotmail??!! Why give Bill Gates anymore money that what he already has?? Yahoo!?? A web-based portal that does not support live technical support. Send a question to Yahoo! and the reply will be copied directly from the Help Pages and signed "The Yahoo! Team." Burntmail....personalized and responsive support EVERYTIME!!

Anonymous
September 28, 2005
2:02 AM PT

Gmail rule! simple and easy. You get alot of those banner ads on Yahoo, i rather see word ads.

tienman
September 28, 2005
8:52 AM PT

As a paying Yahoo! Mail user, I do have access to use the new Yahoo! Mail beta. I have found that it does not work with my browser of choice, Mozilla Firefox 1.0.x. I suspected it was because there is no support for ActiveX in Firefox. If you search Google for "yahoo mail beta activex" the first item that comes up is a Yahoo! help page for the beta that confirms that ActiveX is required. I have been very happy with their service thus far, but if Yahoo! tries to dictate my use of browser and ActiveX settings, they will lose this paying customer to a competitor that doesn't.

From the help page at http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/alpha/alpha-40.html:
---
Yahoo! Mail Beta uses several XML features (they are complicated but trust us, they help you) in the IE browser and in order to use those, you need to have Active X enabled.

Rest assured, here (Y misspelled 'there') is no Active X download or installation of any kind. In order to utilize these special browser capabilities, please enable Active X with the following steps.

To enable ActiveX for IE 6.x for Windows: you can do the following: ...
---

Of course, there are no instructions for enabling ActiveX in other browsers, this is apparently becoming an IE-only service.

Scot
September 28, 2005
9:46 AM PT

is it user friendly

sparky
September 28, 2005
10:00 AM PT

Yahoo's new virus scan is unnecessary and intrusive. It slows image loading up so much it's a pain to download anything..
AND it can't be disabled!!

Why do I need MORE when I already have perfectly good facilities on my PC - and WHY no CHOICE?

Up yours, Yahoo... Don't force this crap on us...

oops
September 29, 2005
1:55 PM PT

Guys, I would like to use my old yahoo id (email account) with yahoo plus($19.95)

I have the correct alt. email address and I can access my email. I do not remember my secret answer that i filled out about 6 years ago. The question is: Will yahoo let me reset that question/answer if i'm a yahoo plus user? They laugh at me when I ask themn to reset it w/o the correct answer... I just want to make sure if I pay them, they'll let me reset it.

Gmail is great. I like everything about it with the exception of the labels rather than folders. Anyone think they'll go with an option b/t the two in the near future?

thanks

Sam
September 29, 2005
3:53 PM PT

Can someone give a link to these services.

Vince
October 11, 2005
7:47 PM PT

productive innovation
go or it
yahoo forever

bernard sabarre
October 16, 2005
5:34 PM PT

PLEASE will someone send me an invite to get Gmail.
Thank you so much

Alan

alancook2000@yahoo.com

Alan
October 28, 2005
9:26 PM PT

when i want to sgin in yahoo mail not work and thes sentince apper The browser you're using refuses to sign in. (cookies rejected)

sobhy
December 18, 2005
2:04 PM PT

For those looking to join Gmail, I just joined today without an invitation. You just need to enter a cell number. I received a text message within seconds with an invite code.

Heerema
February 17, 2006
9:23 PM PT

Ironic or conicidence I think not that ever since I switched to gmail Yahoo has suddenly "forgotten" how to filter spam, ever since then all the Nigerian emails, girls from Russia etc spam now goes to Inbox and "ANYTHING" with google in the text or from address goes to Bulk, if M$ did this people would be screaming....

Mark Allen
May 17, 2006
11:43 AM PT

This is some funny conversations... and a lot I see is from people who haven't used one or the other. How can you possibly know?

I have not used yahoo beta yet, because I haven't been offered it, but I can say that they have some catching up to do with Gmail to be sure - speed, keyboard shortcuts and innovative mail sorting (labels).

And what's all this talk of folders? What's the difference folks? Labels are the same as folders with one exception - a message can be in two places at once with gmail, try that with yahoo ;)

Gmail and folders rule (for now).

As soon as they manage to better link their mail and calendar offerings, things will be perfect (I would prefer a single interface/page rather than two ;)

Clinton
June 07, 2006
3:41 PM PT

GMAIL rules!

tried yahoo mail beta for weeks now. it sucks. every single click or drag will take a couple of seconds to be carried out. Scrolling down the list of mails in inbox will make the browser freeze a little while as it tries to load the list.

and the worst part is -- with 1280x960 screen resolution, there's only a small square as big as an ipod left on the screen to display the mail's content!!! the rest is ads!!!

hoooo
June 08, 2006
8:14 AM PT

I can't send attachments with Yahoo Mail Beta because I use Netscape, so for now I won't use it.

Anonymous
June 17, 2006
5:08 AM PT

how to make my old yahoo mail to noe one
can any body tell me on my mail mohitchandan@yahoo.com

mohit
June 23, 2006
2:45 AM PT
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